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Thread: What's the latest on Plushenko and/or Lysacek's health & ability to compete in Sochi?

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    Plushenko is seriously preparing for the Olympics, but as other posters said, the outcome depends a lot on his health. In my opinion if his training goes as planned he shouldn't skip international competitions as COR or Euros because they are a great opportunity to test his programs.
    I would love to see him winning a medal in the teams competition, it would be great for his olympic medals collection. An Olympic Champion would be a great asset for team Russia and probably the young skaters will be proud to be part of it.

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    Volvo Cup is an international event so normally skaters can use their points there.

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    In case this Lysacek video (Oct 28) was not posted elsewhere on GS already:
    http://video.ap.org/Lysacek-Back-to-...s&VID=25302238

    1:21 video from a press conference.
    Lysacek talks about why he wants to compete in Sochi and to represent "all Americans" (indirect reference to the Russian anti-gay law, presumably).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Evan was with a bunch of Team USA members on the Today show this week plugging the Olympic Team gear. No one asked him if he's going to Sochi, but he did say he was excited to wear the team uniform.
    In one of his other Today show segments on Tuesday, Lysacek said in so many words that he wants to compete in Sochi.

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    I think Plushy sometimes get misunderstood in ?English. We have to be careful. And I am a bit of a cynic about when people talk about coming back from injuries tak is cheap. Let's see the proof. I am not trying to be mean but there is a mental and physical element. Plushy is coming back from major surgery. Evan is a little more clouded in mystery. And it is further heightened by the fact he has not competed in four years, he has pulled out of several events, he has not finished a competition in years, he really is not known for his quad or artistry - his competitiveness yes, he has a competitive men's field and yes getting the technical points to qualify might be ap roblem with time ticking and really we aren't sure where he is. Everyone tends to talk positive about coming back from injuries but the truth as to how likely or good the comeback is really can't be decided until the world sees them skate. Sometimes I feel though Evan in particuklar is trying to hold on to that limelight that sadly is or has slipped away. If he makes it to Sochi I have to say there is a bit of luck because right now there are several us men who could beat him it just depends ont he day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebamboo View Post
    (BTW, in the 2012 EC, He won by about 15 points, while suffering from major injuries with his knee and back, and I don't recall any serious suggestions of controversy here, or with any commentators that I recall. I think it was fair to say that there was quite a bit of excitement about it.)
    I love Plushy, but he was tremendously overscored in the short program. No way should Gachinski's clean jumps, quad-included, all level-4 SP have only scored less than a point more than Plushy's. That was reputation scoring at its finest.

    The margin was also disproportionately large in the LP, too. The only mistake Artur made was a step-out of one jump. That was it. He shouldn't have lost by 15 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    I love Plushy, but he was tremendously overscored in the short program. No way should Gachinski's clean jumps, quad-included, all level-4 SP have only scored less than a point more than Plushy's. That was reputation scoring at its finest.

    The margin was also disproportionately large in the LP, too. The only mistake Artur made was a step-out of one jump. That was it. He shouldn't have lost by 15 points.
    I know you love Artur. I am merely saying that as far as I know, there has been no serious suggestions of controversy about Plushenko's win at the 2012 EC in general (given that the OP seems to have not followed it much, and was asking).

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    Regardless of Plushenko scoring the PCS given to Gachinski has always been just barely over neutral. Even if he skated the best at euro 2012 it was just neutral and judges just gave 7's really and it was not proper.

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    Thanks so much to everyone who has shared info and thoughts. I had forgotten that Plush competed at Europeans - I don't get Universal Sports and only this year subscribed to Ice Network so have been a bit out of the loop.

    I agree that the Western media certainly depicted Plushenko as arrogant and cold in comparison with the more appealing Yagudin, and based on what you say this may well have been a misrepresentation. I admire Plushenko's skill and grit immensely. I'm not a big fan of his somewhat flashy/flamboyant style, but you've got to have huge respect for his longevity, jumping prowess, and courage in trying to come back from a devastating condition.

    Re Lysacek, I truly don't think this is about the limelight for him- I think it is about his burning desire to compete and achieve. His injuries resulted from overwork, not weakness or negligence. and now he wants to compete in order to bring joy to his family- his father has suffered a terrible recurrence of cancer. Whatever we want to say about Lysacek's style, I admire his work ethic just as I admire Plushenko's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    Thanks so much to everyone who has shared info and thoughts. I had forgotten that Plush competed at Europeans - I don't get Universal Sports and only this year subscribed to Ice Network so have been a bit out of the loop.

    I agree that the Western media certainly depicted Plushenko as arrogant and cold in comparison with the more appealing Yagudin, and based on what you say this may well have been a misrepresentation. I admire Plushenko's skill and grit immensely. I'm not a big fan of his somewhat flashy/flamboyant style, but you've got to have huge respect for his longevity, jumping prowess, and courage in trying to come back from a devastating condition.

    Re Lysacek, I truly don't think this is about the limelight for him- I think it is about his burning desire to compete and achieve. His injuries resulted from overwork, not weakness or negligence. and now he wants to compete in order to bring joy to his family- his father has suffered a terrible recurrence of cancer. Whatever we want to say about Lysacek's style, I admire his work ethic just as I admire Plushenko's.
    If Lysacek wanted to come back he needed to do so a couple years ago when he backed out of SA because of the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    If Lysacek wanted to come back he needed to do so a couple years ago when he backed out of SA because of the money.
    I don't know this story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    I don't know this story?
    Lysacek was scheduled to return to skating with Skate America. But he ran into a snag when discussions about money came up. At first it was conjectured that his agents wanted some kind of appearance fee, but I think that turned out to be incorrect.

    The second version was that USFS insisted on receiving a portion of revenue that Evan got through endorsements the came his way directly as a result of the opportunities to compete that USFS gave him. I don’t know if that is true, either. But anyway, they couldn’t work out the financial details to everyone’s satisfaction.

    Lysacek was represented at that time by a general sports group that did not specialize in figure skating. It was said that they overvalued Lysacek’s gold medal and thought he could command a better financial deal than turned out to be the case. The next year Lysacek dropped that agency and signed with Shep Goldberg, Michelle Kwan’s agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Lysacek was scheduled to return to skating with Skate America. But he ran into a snag when discussions about money came up. At first it was conjectured that his agents wanted some kind of appearance fee, but I think that turned out to be incorrect.

    The second version was that USFS insisted on receiving a portion of revenue that Evan got through endorsements the came his way directly as a result of the opportunities to compete that USFS gave him. I don’t know if that is true, either. But anyway, they couldn’t work out the financial details to everyone’s satisfaction.

    Lysacek was represented at that time by a general sports group that did not specialize in figure skating. It was said that they overvalued Lysacek’s gold medal and thought he could command a better financial deal than turned out to be the case. The next year Lysacek dropped that agency and signed with Shep Goldberg, Michelle Kwan’s agent.
    OK, so it doesn't sound like it was Evan's fault. As someone who works in the literary world I know that agents often have their own interests rather than the client's best interests at heart. Good for him for dropping that agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    Whatever we want to say about Lysacek's style, I admire his work ethic just as I admire Plushenko's.
    Agreed, WWgirl. They are both certainly well known for their work ethics. Leaving personal preferences aside, figure skating fans have nothing to lose to have more competitive spirited skaters like Evan and Plushenko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    Agreed, WWgirl. They are both certainly well known for their work ethics. Leaving personal preferences aside, figure skating fans have nothing to lose to have more competitive spirited skaters like Evan and Plushenko.
    Thanks, Spikydurian! and you put it so well too!

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    Mishin said that Plushy will skate an "economy class" program at Volvo Cup.

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