I am sorry many have said she does not move them and we understand why that is. With time maturity etc, we may see some moving skates. I hate to use Mao as she is not beloved in Korea, but watch her "Jupiter" exhibition. Mao has known defeat and loss. It chages the heart strings. You simply cannot tolerate any criticism of YuNa. I do not go to a fan fest thread and tell flaws as I see them. That would be wrong, but we are discussing subjective stuff, and in a respectful way.
Again, please remember this is not a fan fest thread, and it is not ALL ABOUT YUNA. I look forward to your equally ardent theads re some other skater. This is tedious. If YuNa were a skater from another era, we might see her work on her line, flexibility, turnout. One point I made was that things I love about ladies singles are no longer valued in this system, so why should she worry about it I guess? It is a shame, I think.
These things make an "artistic" impression." I invite you to watch the pro skates of Paul Wylie. That is my idea of perfection. You can have yours but don't tell other posters where when and what they can post. Bad form and not allowed in the guideline, forthat matter.
I have a balanced, accurate view of YuNa, a skater I admire in many ways. I admit she deserves the moniker "great skater" based on longevity, special talents and competitive record. Now what more do you want?
As for Mao, she is a butterfly, but her problems may eclipse her inclusion into the discussion 20 years from now. Katarina Witt was a great skater and competitor and unbeatable in her day. Was she the best skater around? I don't think so, but based on the three criteria most use, she deserves "great" as well. For the 3rd time, I suggest we not include a skater in our subjective list of greats until the career is done.
I suspect if YuNa falls off her podium to third, she may be dropped. Another skater I used to cringe at, has to be called "great" based on longevity, jumping ability (esp impt for men). and 3 medals in 3 successive Olympics. Now many fans don't care for his choreo, his outfits an sometimes his swagger, but based on what he has achieved, a gold and two silver O medals, that alone is amazing. So while I much preferred his nemesis in skating, (Yagudin)- Evgeni has already earned "great" for me, even if he comes in 6th at Sochi.
If skating is more sport, then one can look at speed, jumps, consistency. But there are skaters who connect well and the PERFORMANCE is remembered for years. There are few skaters that can do this consistently. Michele kwan is great to most fans (American anyway) not just fo 7 triple program year in and year out. Some of her skates were very moving. In 6.0 Lyra matches up for millions to any 6.0 single LP ever skated.
G& G moved people with their love and beauty, esp in their SOI skates. These are the programs people remember. Music choice is key. Pink Panther doesn't make you weep but Schindler's list does. YuNa is not a very emotive skater. When she fnally shedtears of relief in Vancouver, commet wa "she's human after all." I imagine her skate 'Homage to Korea' left millions weeping. Their starlet/thei anthem.
Why does it bother you that her flaws are noticed? You see hr as flawlss, I guess. But let others have their opinion. There are many other great skaters who have finished their careers SO let us perhaps maybe include some of them.
Besides Torvill/Dean, I wonder who else is considered great? I concede Grisuk/Platov meet ALL criteria yet I never liked them half as well as Usova /Zhulin. It is all subjective. imagine trying to judge this "sport." Now there is a messy business!!!
I wonder if 20 years from now threads will still turn in to Mao vs. YuNa threads? If so then we'll know for sure that they're both legends.
I wanted to say something about the youtube views so I'll just go with this one...
Without a doubt Koreans definitely use youtube.- Most people in non English speaking worlds like China, Korea and probably Japan don't use youtube, they have localised version of these vids services. What does the viewing stats tell?
But you offer zero evidence for the complaint that there is "no real connection with audience." Who are the "many" who have said that she does not move them and who is the "we" that you are talking about? LOL! And why have you conveniently ignored the many standing ovations by the audiences (including an epic one at the most recent 2013 Worlds), the skating commentators who marveled at Yu-Na, the compliments by former skating champions, the young skaters who cite Yu-Na as an inspiration, all in favor of a complaint with very little support? None of that matters! Skateluvr has decreed that Yu-Na doesn't move anyone, therefore Yu-Na cannot be considered great.
Really, skateluvr, you would tell someone who was leaping out of their seat to applaud Yu-Na's performance 15-20 seconds before it was over at 2013 Worlds, "Most say that she doesn't move them, and we understand why that is." You don't have a "balanced, accurate" view of YuNa. You have your opinions and a right to them, but you don't support your arguments in a way that indicates you are balanced, objective, reasonable, or even logical.
You want moving? I'll show you moving. Watch this video. Watch it from the beginning to the end. And marvel at how artists immortalized Yu-Na's epic 2010 Olympic performances. Performances that didn't move you, but CLEARLY moved and inspired other people.
Who's that skater? Oh, some anonymous skater who never gave a single performance that people will remember. Funny that they chose to immortalize that skater's performance over anyone else's from the 2010 Olympics, when they could have immortalized V/M, or Rochette's. The fact that Yu-Na's performances inspired another group of artists to create that work of art speaks volumes about her greatness, more than this little squabble on GS ever could.
By the way, there was a little feature after that and if I remember the story correctly, Josee was actually all but retired by that time and was teaching school. When she came back with a gold medal all her students swarmed around her like a hero and she used the experience to teach a lesson about never give up, challenge the odds, remember David and Goliath, etc., etc.
Last edited by Mathman; 11-03-2013 at 09:14 PM.
Jaylee, people were standing for a great clean technical skate. I agree it was a great skate. Already said it. Toller Cranston said many in the skating world have this criticism. She will keep skating. Watch Shizuka's Yugao. Non competitive skating allows for more beauty. I am hardly the only one who has said this. Her best skate is yet to come, maybe not in competition. She was returning and she skated very well. YuNa is applauded for huge jumps alone. No one was close at that Worlds. Sorry, I really don't get intimidated by snarky posts like yours. You can like or adore whomever you wish. Have fun!
Toller Cranston also thought Kurt Browning wasn't a great skater and would never be legendary (I'm paraphrasing a paraphrase from Browning's autobiography). Toller is not the be all end all of skating opinion.Toller Cranston said many in the skating world have this criticism.