And oh goody, I do so love fans who know very little about ice dancing but to claim other's posts who are not in agreeance as trolling.
Trolling is posting solely for the purpose of riling other folks up and trying to provoke a response. Neither Virtue and Moir fans nor Davis and White fans do that.
I actually know quite a lot about ice dance (though not Doris level) and have made hundreds of posts here to prove it. I also prefer V/M to D/W generally and have dozens of posts to back that up too. So far, you have only made vague posts pertaining to ice dance perceptions, which you are describing incorrectly. Pardon me if I doubt your vivid ice dance viewership throughout the years and thorough command of the sport.
That said, I'm done with this one. Must continue to remember not to feed the trolls.
I actually know quite a lot about ice dance (though not Doris level) and have made hundreds of posts here to prove it. I also prefer V/M to D/W generally and have dozens of posts to back that up too. So far, you have only made vague posts pertaining to ice dance perceptions, which you are describing incorrectly. Pardon me if I doubt your vivid ice dance viewership throughout the years and thorough command of the sport.
That said, I'm done with this one. Must continue to remember not to feed the trolls.
Actually, no ice dancers or pairs skaters from this era will be remember for long. Torvill and Dean are the only ice dancers that anyone has ever heard of.
I think naming V/M without D/W is riddiculous. Both teams have two World golds each. V/M do have three World silvers as opposed to D/W's two and a bronze, but that bronze is very questionable and only won by 0.04 i.e. nothing. D/W defeated V/M numerous times during the past couple of years and V/M have never managed to beat them at the GPF. So yeah, even if V/M do win in Sochi, D/W will still be remembered as the only ones actually capable of defeating those 2-time Olympic champions. And two Olympic silvers would still be quite an achievement.
I think it is the rivalry between the teams that will go down in history. I strongly believe these teams are that great because they have each other. They have dominated the world of ice dance for 5 straight years. That alone makes both of them worthy of a place among all time greats and the thing they have been winning golds back-to-back makes it special and fascinating.
^ In a way, I think Vancouver is kind of irrelevant to this "rivalry." There was no rivalry in 2010. Virtue and Moir were the best, Davis and White were second best.
Then Davis and White started getting better. Now? We'll see in February.
How legendary and remembered you are is not just about medals and titles. If Davis & White win the Sochi gold and their 3rd World title they will undoubtably have had a better career than Virtue & Moir, and possibly (although this is less certain) rank higher in the history of ice dancing greats. However Virtue & Moir IMO will always be more remembered and legendary anywhere outside the U.S. They simply are a more beautiful team who have had more memorable programs, and just have impacted to the Worldwide audience more than Davis & White have.
I'm a huge fan of both teams who missed last year's worlds and just watched the long programs. Carmen BLEW ME AWAY!!!!!!! Why was this program disliked/controversial? I thought it was brilliant!
I am not a troll, but could not help noticing:
In your comparison of resumes, you spell out the medal tallies at Worlds, right down to the 0.04 gap in 2009.
And yet you make only an oblique reference to Virtue/Moir's Olympic gold vs. Davis/White's Olympic silver -- as if Vancouver were of minor significance in their rivalry.
How legendary and remembered you are is not just about medals and titles. If Davis & White win the Sochi gold and their 3rd World title they will undoubtably have had a better career than Virtue & Moir, and possibly (although this is less certain) rank higher in the history of ice dancing greats. However Virtue & Moir IMO will always be more remembered and legendary anywhere outside the U.S. They simply are a more beautiful team who have had more memorable programs, and just have impacted to the Worldwide audience more than Davis & White have.
I'm a huge fan of both teams who missed last year's worlds and just watched the long programs. Carmen BLEW ME AWAY!!!!!!! Why was this program disliked/controversial? I thought it was brilliant!
Agree with Kim. To be honest, her performances leave me cold, but there is no denying her excellence - never finished off the podium in any competition... that James Bond routine and MONSTROUS record scores to win the 2010 Olympic gold (although I question whether she should have won by THAT margin of points)
Asada for sure too. Unless someone steps up to the plate, she may be remembered as the last female skater to perform triple axels. So many medals... the first woman to complete the GP grand slam (gold at all GP events)... first to land 3 triple axels in a single competition... many performances that stay in your mind, especially the 2012/2013 season (Mary Poppins exhibition!!!)
I don't think Virtue and Moir can be added to the list, without Davis and White: I wonder if either team would have reached they heights they have, without the other to compete against?
Takahashi will surely be remembered for the artistry, expression, passion and personality of his performances, as well as his achievements of course. Mambo!
I'd say Hanyu is also destined to become one of the greats. He has already delivered the most firey, determined and passionate performance I've ever seen (2012 world's FS), and I will always remember him for that, regardless of what he does in future.
I also have high hopes for Lipnitskaia. Last year, she was "just another" Russian gymnastic/athletic wunderkind... but this year she has added such elegance, gracefullness, and convincing emotion and expression. Amazing progress, and she has learned to smile. If she can get through growing pains and continue to develop, she is surely destined for superstardom. Also her axel jump is currently very low, I'm sure if she jumped higher she could manage a triple...!