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    That's how I see it. ITA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    To me that lift exit looked choreographed but then I also raised my eyebrows. I am really surprised that Shpilband didn't pick up on the fact that it might count as a fall (and possibly look like something went wrong).
    she wasn't supposed to land on her knees. here is the lift at French Masters where they did it clean: http://youtu.be/LtDo-h97Wdg?t=3m36s
    I must say I love this lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aniela View Post
    she wasn't supposed to land on her knees. here is the lift at French Masters where they did it clean: http://youtu.be/LtDo-h97Wdg?t=3m36s
    I must say I love this lift.
    Thanks, that makes sense then.

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    B/S components scores were too high. The program was junior-ish in my opinion. Yes they were faster than the french but they just looked frantic and flailed everywhere

    too bad for french getting level 1 on 2nd part of Finnstep. I'm sure Igor will be working hard to fix that by next gp. Their program was entertaining and classy.

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    Just woke up to watch this poorly skated event. Can't say I disagree much with the judging panel. Lots of little errors by every team. Wonder if the clear lack of interest from the audience was a downer. Brit commentators overly optimistic in their calling of this SD.

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    B/S were skating in very intricate dance holds at the end of their program that made theirs more difficult than P/B's, but I just wish they didn't front-load this program so much as to put all the elements in the beginning like that. However they were very sharp and fast on their feet before it got a bit sloppy in the twizzles. Still, they skated very close together in the difficult sections of the dance.

    P/B were good but their speed and power look like they're still in the very early stages of the season. I'd have both couples very close in the marks.

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    Well remember B/S redid the program or might be a new program so I trust and hope it will catch up later on in the season. right now P and B and B and S are in trouble if they want the bronze at the Olympics. the Italians and Weaver and Poje are a step up. I expected more fire in the belly from P and B but they left a lot of points on the table so that is good in that they can make it up. Maybe they will surprise us because at times they reminded me of their former teammates who kind of fizzled at the last olympics and from what we have seen in that "jinxed" spot - wbm - The israelis, the germans, the french and the Shibs dance teams in the past have won that medal and then fizzled out dropping position.

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    Their PCS here was 30.41 - vs. Hubbells at 30.79 at Skate America, Shibs at 30.30. Again, too close for comfort. The 3 teams are nearly in a dead tie, when you take the influence of the differing tech panels out.[/QUOTE]

    No offense intended Doris but I believe you are quoting the TES scores from Skate America.
    In terms of PCS:

    Shibs 30.96 (Sk Am)
    C/Bates 30.41 (Cp Ch)
    H/D 29.92 (Sk Am)

    While it naturally is not 'correct' to necessarily compare scores from different events, the French team C/J competed at both events. Their PCS were relatively comparable across the 2 events: 27.74 (Sk Am, clean) vs. 27.20 (Cp Ch, with errors)

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    SHORT DANCE - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)

    1. Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) - 65.70 Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    2. Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT (FRA) - 63.60 Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    3. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA) - 56.77 Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    4. Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON (USA) - 52.92 Short Dance, 2nd Copy
    5. Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES (FRA) - 50.20 Short Dance, 2nd Copy
    6. Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU (CHN)41.79 Short Dance
    7. Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG (CHN) - 41.24 Short Dance, 2nd Copy

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    To be complete:

    Finlandia C&B 30.83
    CoC C&B 30.41

    Nebelhorn H&D 28.07
    Skate America H&D 30.79
    Skate Canada H&D 29.32

    Skate America S&S 30.30

    Not a penny worth of difference to choose between any of those PCS scores.

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    Matt K - It's true that B/S had much more close holds. But other than that, their choreography seemed very generic. Nothing interesting in terms of upper body movement or element layout or transitions.

    P/B's program was much more open but I thought their timing was better, there were some nice choreographic touches throughout. Their SD isn't great either but it makes a slightly stronger statement than B/S's typical ballroom dance.

    I think that B/S did skate better on the day. P/B need to step up their game.

    I was expecting P/B to skate with more speed and power and I think they're capable of better programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by KKonas View Post
    Brit commentators overly optimistic in their calling of this SD.
    Everything is always 'great' for them. Including elements with multiple mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post

    But if B&S skate like that, I&K will beat them at Russian Nationals if they are not careful.
    Doubtful, it's the Russian Nationals after all, where Ice Dance observes a strict pecking order. But things may be a little different at Euros and later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    To be complete:

    Finlandia C&B 30.83
    CoC C&B 30.41

    Nebelhorn H&D 28.07
    Skate America H&D 30.79
    Skate Canada H&D 29.32

    Skate America S&S 30.30

    Not a penny worth of difference to choose between any of those PCS scores.
    Those are TES scores from Skate America, aren't they?

    What I have for PCS are

    Hubbell & Donohue
    Nebelhorn: 28.46
    Skate America: 29.92
    Skate Canada: 29.42

    Chock & Bates
    Finlandia: 30.83
    Cup of China: 30.41

    Shibutanis
    Skate America: 30.96


    As far as TES:
    Hubbell & Donohue
    Nebelhorn: 28.07
    Skate America: 30.70
    Skate Canada: 32.50

    Chock & Bates
    Finlandia: 23.51
    Cup of China: 28.77

    Shibutanis
    Skate America: 30.30

    But the premise still stands that it's a three-way race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Matt K - It's true that B/S had much more close holds. But other than that, their choreography seemed very generic. Nothing interesting in terms of upper body movement or element layout or transitions.

    P/B's program was much more open but I thought their timing was better, there were some nice choreographic touches throughout. Their SD isn't great either but it makes a slightly stronger statement than B/S's typical ballroom dance.

    I think that B/S did skate better on the day. P/B need to step up their game.

    I was expecting P/B to skate with more speed and power and I think they're capable of better programs.
    I agree that there wasn't much variety in their movement and the dance lacked character, and as for the element layout, I to see all their elements front loaded like that because it looks so obvious! That, IMO, ruins the look of the dance. On the other hand, it's impressive how not only super close skating together they are in those dance holds but how they move from one end of the rink to the other and halfway back without separating with relative speed Not sure if this was Zhulin's strategy.
    I like the nuances to the music in P/B's SD in but it's a program that could've been given to any of the top 10 teams IMO. I'm disappointed they skated to a program like that. Although Shpilband did say he tried to leave their FD untouched as much as possible so maybe that will look different tomorrow.

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    I have exactly the same sentiments. B/S had good speed, despite all the closed holds. P/B have shown some very creative, concept-driven programs in the past and that SD didn't stand out in any way.

    Hopefully this low score will really fire them up for the FD.

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