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    The Battle for Bronze - Ice Dance

    D&W and V&M have been locked for gold and silver for almost a quadrennial now... it's not news but still constantly debated.

    Thus, the battle for bronze is more interesting to me. As of now, Cappellini & Lanotte, Bobrova & Soloviev, Weaver & Poje, Pechalat & Bourzat, Ilinykh & Katsalopov are the major contenders. The momentum favored B&S and C&L last season.

    By Rostelcom Cup, we should know who more or less will be the Bronze medalists, as B&S will face W&P there. The finished product of B&S' LP hasn't yet been unveiled (not to my knowledge), but C&L and W&P already have unveiled theirs. W&P did incredibly well in Skate Canada, and their tango interpretation, under the masterful guidance of Krylova, was TDF. As Chris and Simon said, they still need to intensify and sharpen some of their moves, but it's one hell of a program, almost as good as their Je Suis Malade program. I found C&L's Barber of Seville program quite boring and safe. I liked the rough sketch of B&S' program. Zhulin might add some more sultriness throughout the season; they look physically strong. I don't know what P&B and I&K are doing ATM. Out of the bunch, W&P seem to have the edge as of now. I think their tango was only a few points behind V&M.

    W&P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfIBk1f8TL8

    B&S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fELRKt-_GHo

    C&L http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMEVoMBU0k

    So who are your favorites? Any new videos of the contenders?

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    I agree I think W/P have the edge right now and some momentum maybe. They actually beat V/M on the technical mark in both the short dance and the free dance at Skate Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trains View Post
    I agree I think W/P have the edge right now and some momentum maybe. They actually beat V/M on the technical mark in both the short dance and the free dance at Skate Canada.
    I agree with this too. C/L's short dance is great but their free dance is rather boring. I'd call I/K a dark horse at best since they've never won a world medal and their highest finish was 5th, with them being all the way down in 9th last year. Plus, they're considered the second-string team from Russia, or at least they were last year. I'm not sure if I'd consider them any more likely to win a medal than Chock and Bates or the Shibutanis. We haven't seen much of B/S and P/B yet so it's hard to say how much of a chance they really have.

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    Chock and Bates have amazed me they could be the dark horse for bronze. I think the Italians and Canada II as well as B and S are the main fighers. I really am disappointed in what I have recentlly seen of the French though the Italians Barbe or SEvill is no masterpiece either.

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    More; I/K; Rental in Sochi early October (Elena in training leotard and wrap skirt) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp70e8oMkVE
    S/D was not found for I/K.
    B/S; Working draft of FD and SD last weekend at Ice Star Minsk; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr-r8jSZJsY (FD)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa-LVJA2l4A(SD)

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    I think the battle for bronze will be very exciting! I'm so glad we're blessed with so many great teams at the moment.

    I would say B/S have the best shot, since they're Russia's #1. Unless they fall behind I/K at nationals...

    But really, all these teams are so great we won't know anything until we actually KNOW. Just look at their results in 2012 vs 2013:

    2012:
    3. P/B
    4. W/P
    5. I/K
    6. C/L
    7. B/S

    2013:
    3. B/S
    4. C/L
    5. W/P
    6. P/B
    with I/K in 9th, also behind Chock/Bates and the Shibs

    so if we look at 2013 Worlds only, we shouldn't even consider I/K candidates unless we also consider S/S and C/B as such. But really, things and results switch so much between these teams all the time it's really hard to judge. Any team could win. But, as I said, Russians will have that slight home advantage.

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    It will be one of Weaver & Poje or Cappellini & Lanotte. I guarantee it. Pechelat & Bourzat are on the way down, and home ice wont be able to save Bobrova & Soloviev and their yuck programs this year. I think it is more likely going to be W&P than C&L but we will see. Whichever of W&P and C&L dont get the Oly bronze will be given the World bronze as a consolation prize, unless one of the retiring D&W or V&M dont go (quite possible) in which case both will probably medal there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I agree with this too. C/L's short dance is great but their free dance is rather boring. I'd call I/K a dark horse at best since they've never won a world medal and their highest finish was 5th, with them being all the way down in 9th last year. Plus, they're considered the second-string team from Russia, or at least they were last year. I'm not sure if I'd consider them any more likely to win a medal than Chock and Bates or the Shibutanis.
    I would consider I/K winning a medal in Sochi a huge long shot too, but they are by far more likely than the Shibutanis. The Shibutanis have the same chance as a team from Australia of winning the bronze in Sochi right now, as in exactly 0. They will be in a dogfight with Hubbel & Donohue to even make the Olympic team, and my gut right now is telling me they wont. Yes the Shibutanis beat I/K at Worlds but I/K had a very weak competition there while the Shibutanis had their best one and I/K still had much higher PCS. When I/K are at their best they beat C/L and nearly B/S at Europeans last year. The Shibutanis were just at their best at Skate America and were absolutely trounced by the Italians who they clearly arent competitive with at this point, and eked out 3rd place over H/B.

    I agree I/K odds are only about equal with a team like Chock & Bates though.

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    I think for some reasons I/K will have have a shot. If they skate well, they will be the one to beat. their programs, though not being showed yet, but are highly appraised in Russian press, while B/S are kind of constantly under review/critic. If B/S are not second this week in China, I think they will have problems in the Russian Nationals, and the Rus Fed will do all for I/K to be competitive for the Bronze in Sochi.



    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I would consider I/K winning a medal in Sochi a huge long shot too, but they are by far more likely than the Shibutanis. The Shibutanis have the same chance as a team from Australia of winning the bronze in Sochi right now, as in exactly 0. They will be in a dogfight with Hubbel & Donohue to even make the Olympic team, and my gut right now is telling me they wont. Yes the Shibutanis beat I/K at Worlds but I/K had a very weak competition there while the Shibutanis had their best one and I/K still had much higher PCS. When I/K are at their best they beat C/L and nearly B/S at Europeans last year. The Shibutanis were just at their best at Skate America and were absolutely trounced by the Italians who they clearly arent competitive with at this point, and eked out 3rd place over H/B.

    I agree I/K odds are only about equal with a team like Chock & Bates though.

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    I thought b and s redid their programs because of RSF????Its anyones medal at this point; it would be sad if the /shibutanis lose out to H and /D but their skating is not outstanding and Alex has had injuiry problem

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    Well, if the "Bronze medal misfortune" keeps working after S/S and P/B it's B/S's time to lose their third place to someone else... As you said, probably W/P

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    Quote Originally Posted by HR4 View Post
    I think for some reasons I/K will have have a shot. If they skate well, they will be the one to beat. their programs, though not being showed yet, but are highly appraised in Russian press, while B/S are kind of constantly under review/critic. If B/S are not second this week in China, I think they will have problems in the Russian Nationals, and the Rus Fed will do all for I/K to be competitive for the Bronze in Sochi.
    I posted about this with regard to B/S and it goes for I/K or any Russian dance team. Russia will be mainly focused on gold in team and pairs and I really doubt anyone is interested in bronze in ice dance. That's losing and based on the precedent in 2010 silver and bronze don't count for anything to the sports federations or press when it comes to judging success.

    Mainly it's obvious they wouldn't turn it down but it's nothing to work/lobby/campaign/politic for.

    B/S is also an unstoppable steamroller at Russian nationals. They've never lost a SD or fd while I/k have been As low as 4th in a fd and this has Happened regardless of how B/s has performed internationally.

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    I completely forgot about the Shibutanis Their Michael Jackson number is going to crucify them. I don't even think it's the injury that's the biggest issue; it just seems Marina isn't focused on them and isn't bothered to package a convincing program for them. I think they are really competing directly with I&K for the 6th or 7th spot. They are distant candidates for the bronze but only if B&S, W&P, C&L, P&B, I&K bomb, and that is a lot of people to beat.

    Unfortunately, I think P&B probably reached their peak with their first World Bronze, just like Faiella and Scali. I hate saying it but it seems that way. They aren't getting better in anything - not technically, artistically, and especially physically. It would be nice if I'm wrong since they've been around for so long and I would like to see them retire on a high note.

    D&W might even last another year or two beyond Sochi. I doubt either V&M or D&W will miss Worlds, since I don't think they'll be satisfied with just 2 World titles given their ability to win multiple ones.

    After D&W and V&M retire, W&P, C&L, B&S will fight for #1. If D&W and V&M don't retire, those aforementioned couples may still have a shot at beating them for #2 if they improve in spades and have Bolero-level programs.

    I find it unlikely that I&K and the Shibs will be a factor in the medals in the next 3 years unless there's a revolutionary transformation like Michelle's '96 transformation.

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    I think I read somewhere that V/M were done after Sochi. I just assumed that meant they weren't going to worlds, but I can't remember where I saw that.

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    Pchalat and Bourzat: The little prince and his rose (IceNetwork Interview)

    I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed for them. The amount of thought and planning that has gone into this program is extremely impressive and I hope that it all works out.

    Cappellini/LaNotte and Weaver/Poje both look very strong but I think that W/P have an edge at this point. Their FD makes a really strong statement whilst, as BlackPack said, C/L's is quite safe.

    Bobrova/Soloviev's SD looks generic and whilst the concept of their FD seemed interesting, the changes Zhulin has recently made to it are for the worse IMO.

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