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    Are Lipnitskaya & Pogorilaya now the favourites to make the Russian Olympic team?

    Great performance today from Pogorilaya (winning on her senior GP debut), following on from Lipnitskaya's last week at Skate Canada. If Pogorilaya can build on this, then I think she will be the favourite to claim the second Olympic spot behind Lipnitskaya. On too many occasions, Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva have messed up and they are simply not consistent enough to inspire much confidence that they will put up much of a challenge in Sochi

    What do you think?

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    she's good but her PCS is so low she can probably just max 180+ by Sochi, its not good enough
    I'd still go with Tuk, sure she bombs the SP but she can be of use, she is a good freeskater capable of delivering 130+ LP and Julia can skate the SP in Team event
    Sotnikova, nvm you can count she will self destruct in the LP, an SP problem is easier to fix than an LP , imo

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    1 Julia - consistency
    2 Liza - good Freeskate rebounder
    3 Anna - low PCS
    4 Adelina - Long Progran self destruct

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    I'm rooting for these two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    she's good but her PCS is so low she can probably just max 180+ by Sochi, its not good enough
    I'd still go with Tuk, sure she bombs the SP but she can be of use, she is a good freeskater capable of delivering 130+ LP and Julia can skate the SP in Team event
    Sotnikova, nvm you can count she will self destruct in the LP, an SP problem is easier to fix than an LP , imo

    my ranking:

    1 Julia - consistency
    2 Liza - good Freeskate rebounder
    3 Anna - low PCS
    4 Adelina - Long Progran self destruct
    Her PCS will rise. Look at Gold. She don't have good programs or skating skills like top ladies but she is getting very high PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Her PCS will rise. Look at Gold. She don't have good programs or skating skills like top ladies but she is getting very high PCS.
    Pogorilaya is still a bit slow and has poor skating skills
    I dont see a dramatic rise in her PCS unless she improves this

    Gracie has one of the best SS in the business

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pogorilaya is still a bit slow and has poor skating skills
    I dont see a dramatic rise in her PCS unless she improves this
    This didn't stop Flatt or Leonova. She is better than those two, so why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pogorilaya is still a bit slow and has poor skating skills
    I dont see a dramatic rise in her PCS unless she improves this

    Gracie has one of the best SS in the business
    Eurosport guys said Pogorilaya had good speed, she seem to move fast across the ice. Also in the FS her PCS was 56, Adelina was only 4 points ahead, and Liza is usually under 60. Clean, I agree, Pogorilaya cannot outscore Tuktamysheva, but Tuk regularly gives up around 10-15 points in the SP, along with a few points in the FS, so really, she needs to address the SP. I think the team will be Julia and Liza, but RU Fed seems to love Adelina so maybe Liza gets dumped. If there were 3 spots I'd say Pogo has a good chance, but with only 2 I think it's just too big of a risk to send her because she doesn't have the "reputation" to salvage her placement/scores in the event that she bombs. So yeah. But I'm really impressed with Anna so far this season regardless!!

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    It's amazing to think the WSM just two seasons ago is not among the top 5 talked about skaters from her country to get an Olympic spot. It shows how inconsistent these Russian skaters are. I really hoped that Tuk and Adelina could have built upon their relatively strong results from the past two seasons but they haven't.

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    So far, I say Liza and Julia. If Liza squeezes a close to clean SP, Anna will be unable to beat her IMO. At least not this season. Julia is unstoppable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    So far, I say Liza and Julia. If Liza squeezes a close to clean SP, Anna will be unable to beat her IMO. At least not this season. Julia is unstoppable.
    and Tuk's biggest arsenal is a 130+ hitting LP
    I don't see Anna or Sotnikova scoring that high in LP

    all Tuk needs is skate a decent SP not even a exceptional SP

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    and Tuk's biggest arsenal is a 130+ hitting LP
    I don't see Anna or Sotnikova scoring that high in LP

    all Tuk needs is skate a decent SP not even a exceptional SP
    I totally agree. Even a 3Lz-2T, 3L and 2A from Liza and a clean (with 3-3) LP will be more than enough to keep Anna and Adelina behind. Unless a miracle happens with Adelina - who has the potential and if on that particular day she hits, it's another story.
    But since we are talking probability, yes, Liza and Julia will most likely make it.

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    Liza and Julia. Just no competition for them this year. I like Tuk's spirit and her fp is one of the best for me this year. Pogorilaya is too juniorish. Her time to shine is after Olys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    So far, I say Liza and Julia. If Liza squeezes a close to clean SP, Anna will be unable to beat her IMO. At least not this season. Julia is unstoppable.
    Agreed. and in all honesty, I was unimpressed with Anna at Cup of China. Other than landing her jumps, she isn't very good! S is a far stronger skater overall, but unfortunately she seems to be a head case when it comes to the long program self-destruct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post

    my ranking:

    1 Julia - consistency
    2 Liza - good Freeskate rebounder
    3 Anna - low PCS
    4 Adelina - Long Progran self destruct
    Well, your wish!

    My ranking:
    1 Julia - consistency
    2 Adelina - being second in a GP doesn't make her a failure!
    3 Anna - low PCS
    4 Liza - is struggling at the moment

    We can check this thread in 4 months time and see who was closer to the truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    That headcase has a GP silver and a SP win. Tuktamysheva couldn't even beat Radionova, make the podium, and was 9th in the Skate America SP, and likely won't make the GPF. At least Sotnikova positions herself well after the SP, whereas Tukt always plays catchup. For Liza, its over before the FS even begins... and that's whi you think is a better choice for Sochi? And how many times has Liza scored this so-called weapon of a 130+ FS?
    Adelina won a silver at COC because the field was unbelievably bad and the worst I have ever seen at a Grand Prix. None of the girls who made the podium at COC would have even won bronze at Skate America or Skate Canada.

    I prefer Elizaveta to Adelina. I think Elizaveta's problems are mental. She has some sort of mental block about the SP, because there is no reason for her to do as poorly as she does, given her fabulous long programs and flawless jump technique. On the other hand, Adelina's problems are due to poor jump technique. Her technique on her flutz, flip and axel is awful. She's never going to be able to get through a long program with her flawed jump technique, whereas Liza has the potential to skate better short programs if she gets over her mental block.

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