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Thread: Are Lipnitskaya & Pogorilaya now the favourites to make the Russian Olympic team?

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    I am guilty of this but one skating event and we all jump to conclusions. These poor skates are under the microscope - if they sneeze are they too sick to compete. If they flinch they are injured they can't jump. One bad skate and this is the turning point. One decent skate they are on the olympic team. One lost sequin and they are unravelled. It's a long season folks. Admittedly Julia is looking good but who knows for the at other spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peach View Post
    Julia deserves to be on the olympic team, MORE than Adelina or Liza. She needs to be there. She is definitely a rising star but clearly the Russian Fed does not recognize her potential...
    this is not true, the Russian Fed recognize and see Julia's potential
    from Aleksandr Gorshkov's words: Russian ladies is not inferior, we believe in Julia Lipnitskaya
    what is true is Julia is not the Federations favorite, if ever Sotnikova gets clean, she will get a monster score of 200+

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pogorilaya making the Team is probably just 5%
    her max score potential is just 180+, that's not good enough and her PCS is poor

    I'm sure they weigh also who can score the highest
    Tuk's PB is 188+ and Sotnikova is 193+, I still think one of them will get the remaining, for me , preferably not the latter mentioned
    And you think that Anna's PCS won't rise at all if she continues to skate well. Anna has very little to no reputation. When Kim debuted on the Grand Prix circuit, she didn't start out with sky high PCS either, they improved as she skated well. I think Anna's PCS will rise.

    Elizaveta got on 131 plus free score, she didn't score close to that at Skate America though. One of my biggest issues with Elizaveta is she's clearly making no effort to improve her PCS. She's still doing the same type of programs she always does. There's no variety.

    Adelina and Tukt are better skaters but I do see improvement with Anna and she's far more consistent...It doesn't matter if your potential max score is higher if you've demonstrated an ability to not capitalize on it.

    Elizaveta in general, I don't think is so much better than Anna. To me both Elizaveta and Anna are pretty much jumping beans. I see Anna developing more artistically than Elizaveta.

    And as for mentioning Julia doing the short and Elizaveta doing a long at Team. I say no way does the Russian federation not want Julia skating her long for the team event. Julia's program is getting a lot of buzz.

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    It is much easier for the challenger coming up, than to be the one chased. To me, Julia has had the full breadth of that experience set and should be well positioned to handle the pressure. Same with Adelina. I would have less confidence in feeling confident in how Anna would handle the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post

    And as for mentioning Julia doing the short and Elizaveta doing a long at Team. I say no way does the Russian federation not want Julia skating her long for the team event. Julia's program is getting a lot of buzz.
    That is true. But i understood correctly, in the Team Event only top 5 of the SP do the FS. So Julia for the short programme is the safest choice. Making her do both SP and FS is not the smartest move, as she is the main hope for a medal in an individual competition. Anyway, the defenetly should not put Tuktamysheva for the SP. Another option - Adelina for SP, and Julia for FS.

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    People overrate even the scoring potential of Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva. Tuk's all time PB of 131 for a perfect skate was at Europeans where the scoring was noticeably inflated. Done at any other event, including Worlds, the same program would not even reach 130 I bet. Sotnikova's Europeans LP was also the closest she ever did to a clean skate, and based on the protocals her score would have only been about Tuktamysheva's 131 (maybe 132 or 133) even clean. Again inflated scores there so likely down to 130 or below anywhere else. Julia by the end of this season will getting 135s or higher in the LP, I guarantee it. Anna right now is not capable of even close to a 130 LP, that is true. However she will likely be scoring well into the 120s in time, and Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva will have to start skating very well to beat her.

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    Been saying it 2 years already... Liza and Julia!!! (...then again I also said Mirai fo USA)
    Best luck girls :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    People overrate even the scoring potential of Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva. Tuk's all time PB of 131 for a perfect skate was at Europeans where the scoring was noticeably inflated. Done at any other event, including Worlds, the same program would not even reach 130 I bet. Sotnikova's Europeans LP was also the closest she ever did to a clean skate, and based on the protocals her score would have only been about Tuktamysheva's 131 (maybe 132 or 133) even clean. Again inflated scores there so likely down to 130 or below anywhere else. Julia by the end of this season will getting 135s or higher in the LP, I guarantee it. Anna right now is not capable of even close to a 130 LP, that is true. However she will likely be scoring well into the 120s in time, and Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva will have to start skating very well to beat her.
    How so? Her fp was 1 of the most difficult. Gracie's with mistakes got 127. Liza's jumps are great too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I would like to get to the point where Russia is not ussr to people!!! Ussr is dead it's over!!
    Not to NBC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue View Post
    How so? Her fp was 1 of the most difficult. Gracie's with mistakes got 127. Liza's jumps are great too..
    Gold has more scoring potential than Liza since:

    -Gold's jumps get much more GOE. Liza has very good jumps when she does them, but they arent huge high flying jumps like Gold has, and which the judges love.
    -Gold has much stronger spins, generally all level 4s and high GOE.
    -The judges give Gold inflated PCS and higher than they give Liza. Even bad Gold gets more PCS than good Liza (as Worlds LP showed)

    If Gold and Liza skated absolutely perfectly in the same competition Gold would easily win. I firmly believe a perfect Julia would beat a perfect Liza right now, and we pretty much know from Skate Canada a perfect Gold would beat a perfect Julia right now.

    Liza's flawless Europeans LP would probably score virtually equal or maybe 1 or 2 points more at best than Gold's flawed but respectable LP from Worlds had she done it there, and been in the same flight. Remember Li skated flawlessly and scored below flawed Gold, and Li did a very technically hard program and is actually better in some areas of her skating than Liza.


    I do agree that if Sotnikova ever skated perfectly clean (lol but whatever, just a hypothetical) she would be very competitive with Julia, and possibly beat her. I think Liza skating perfectly would still be the odd women out even in that scenario though. Especialy with Sotnikova a huge pet of the powers that be of Russian skating like someone else mentioned, which would mean no way her being left out of the top 2 if she was ever letter perfect; and Julia's consistency likely garnering her respect and a few extra points vs someone who skates perfectly in one competition but hasnt been that consistent. The good news for her is Sotnikova skating a clean LP is like winning a lottery. Her Europeans LP was in reality the best LP in the last almost 3 years so far, and way above her usual LP level of performance, and Elizaveta still easily beat it with what is almost her usual LP it seems. So if Tuktamysheva can get over her SP problems she should have no problem beating Sotnikova (and Anna) for that 2nd spot. She is a virtual cinch to beat Sotnikova in the LP, and probably beat her quite easily.

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    Yeah, Gold is better of course. I meant that Gold wasn't perfect at Worlds but had 127. Liza had 131 for her perfect skate. I think the score was fair :-) And if both clean - Gold is the best for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I do agree that if Sotnikova ever skated perfectly clean (lol but whatever, just a hypothetical) she would be very competitive with Julia, and possibly beat her. I think Liza skating perfectly would still be the odd women out even in that scenario though. Especialy with Sotnikova a huge pet of the powers that be of Russian skating like someone else mentioned, which would mean no way her being left out of the top 2 if she was ever letter perfect; and Julia's consistency likely garnering her respect and a few extra points vs someone who skates perfectly in one competition but hasnt been that consistent. The good news for her is Sotnikova skating a clean LP is like winning a lottery. Her Europeans LP was in reality the best LP in the last almost 3 years so far, and Elizaveta still easily beat it with what is almost her usual LP it seems. So if Tuktamysheva can get over her SP problems she should have no problem beating Sotnikova (and Anna) for that 2nd spot.
    I don't know if you noticed, but any time last year Adelina and Julia skated together in the same international event, Adelina actually beat Julia (for example Europeans, worlds)...and Adelina did not even need to skate clean! And this was in international competitions, so it did not have anything to do about whether Adelina is or isn't a pet of Russian Federation!

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    Huh? They were at the same int-l competition? That's news for me) They were together at JW))Where Julia was better than Adelina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue View Post
    Yeah, Gold is better of course. I meant that Gold wasn't perfect at Worlds but had 127. Liza had 131 for her perfect skate. I think the score was fair :-) And if both clean - Gold is the best for sure!
    When was it last time Gold actually skated clean? If she is that good, how come her personal best isn't higher than Adelina's and Liza's? The truth is, she is not really better than them! Otherwise she could easily top their PB score, but she can't, can she! 'If she skated clean'.... to many 'ifs' but the reality is somewhere else...

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    Yes the last international competition I recall them being in together was the 2012 Junior Worlds which Julia won very easily. What is interesting is the protocals of that event show Julia would have easily beaten both Gold and Sotnikova even had they gone clean, and Sotnikova would have still finished 3rd behind Gold in that case as well. So ironically Julia has lost ground in that sense since then (the mythical all clean scenario), while Gold has gained the most.

    Julia has never competed at Europeans or Senior Worlds so her losing to Sotnikova in those would be impossible. She has also not yet been in a grand prix together with Sotnikova, but her scores in those have been higher thus far, even last year when she was struggling I believe.

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