I agree with the Idleracer. Besides the Ladies ( and APM is not on the World's team, BTW) the US team really does not have any other possible medallist(s).
Baring some unforeseen injury or a disaster, here's the breakdown:
Pairs: The US pairs are pathetic, whereas the Russian team has T&M, who should medal. P&T may get lucky too, but they should be in the top 6. States would be lucky to place somebody in the top 10 there.
Guys: Russians have Plushenko who will medal, US may get Weiss in the top 5.
Ladies: US wins here, but I would not bet on more than 2 medals.
Dance: N&K will medal, B&A may get lucky with a top 5 finish.
Total so far: US - 2 expected medals, Russia - 3 expected medals. Three beats two, doesn't it?
China could win two medals, Canada may get 2 as well. Japan may not get more than 1. Russian team does look as the strongest, even w/o Irina.
Catching up on reading some of my old posts & came across your question (sorry for the belated reply)...
Yes, unfortunately, it is.........one cannot perform any triple jump more than twice in a program........and even then, if performing two triple jumps of the same kind, at least one or all must be in combination. Btw, only three combos. or sequences are allowed in the FS, no matter if they're with doubles or triples.
Originally posted by Mathman
Nadine, about the Zayak rule, what if a skater does a 3T/3T combination, and then later does a 3T as a single jump. Is that a violation?
Take for example Sarah Hughes FS @ the 2002 Olympics:
She performed the maximum of three combos., two of them triple-triples, with the 3R acting as the second jump in both cases. And the other repeated triple - the 3T - was performed solo & also as part of a combo. Hope that makes sense & thanks for the question.
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Yes it does. Thanks for the answer.
That's a blueprint for an Olympic Gold Medal performance. Ladies headed for Torino, take note! I wonder if anyone has scored Sarah's perfromance under CoP scoring, just for fun?
I'm not sure if this thread is about Jenny or related items.
St L..Blues - While I appreciate your Russian favorites, I, personally don't see the russians as so dominating as they were in the Olys (except for Ladies, where the Russians fall far short of a medal - maybe not even in the top ten.). Although they did win most medals in DC Worlds, their only gold was Plush.
I see them winning both Men and Dance rather easily but in Dance, the Bulgarians are on their heels. If Plush melts I think he will be held up anyway. The pairs are Chinese and the Ladies are USA or Japan. So, imo, no more gold for the Russians and not absolutely definite.
As to the Ladies in general, the USA has the stockpile of Ladies that are not even eligible for international competition. No Russian field of Lady skaters can approach that strnegth. In spite of all the bruhaha of Russian Ballet, they don't make the cut in Ladies Figure Skating. I'm not saying they can't improve but I am saying as of now, no way for the Russian Ladies.
If any posters are Russophiles I would suggest you stick withj Plush and the Dance.
As for Jenny Kirk. She's a good skater as well as a good competitive skater. She is one of many many talented US Ladies.
Joe, I was not saying that the Russian team is the strongest amongst all other Russian teams. I meant that amongst other national teams, Russian team has a potential to win the MOST medals. That would make it the strongest, IMO.
Even if the Bulgarians (and by the way, Maxim is Russian) win the gold, there is no way N&K will not medal. Same for the pairs: T&M should get some kind of medal. Medals in 3 fields is not too shabby, I think.
I would never dispute the strength and the depth of US ladies. But the truth is, after Kwan, Cohen, Kirk (who is wonderful), etc.. there are no other SURE THING medal contenders.
Also, with all the depth in the ladies field, when was the last time US swept the podium at the Worlds?
Yana - forgive me for jumping to conclusions, and I do agree that the Russians have the 2004 team to win the most medals at worlds.
However, I have to disagree with you on the US Ladies who are not yet contenders for Worlds competitions. The US has a lot of talent other than the top three looking for the Olys I believe the US Ladies have won at least one medal in every Olympic contest since Tenley Albright (except the year of the airplane disaster). No other country can say that. I do not think ANY country has ever had a clean sweek in Ladies FS.
As for Clean Sweeps in Ladies - Russia has not been able to do what Japan has done, i.e., develop a grand interest in Ladies FS. The upcoming contest will not be easy to call. IMO, there will be two skaters from either Japan or the US and one skater from the other. I doubt there will be any other countries represented up there. And to predict who will be on the podium and be correct? Not easy.
Cheers - Joe
I couldn't agree with you more on the subject of Russian ladies. But it is a well known fact that Russian Fed. 's main focus always has been on dance and pairs, ladies was never their strength. Only recently they had some success. I can only think of the late Kira Ivanova who achieved some success on the international level prior to Irina and Maria. But so deep is the arsenal of pairs and dance skaters in Russia that they end up switching countries to get a chance to go to Olympics, Worlds, etc. No doubt, US benifited greatly from it - Peter, Gorsha, Denis Petukhov. France can't complain either!
On the other hand, recent 4CC results would argue with your position on the depth of US ladies. Both Japan and US sent their teams B, but US claimed only the bronze. On the grand Prix scene, Beatrissa Liang was the only one to medal I think (apart from Sasha and Jenny of course). So I would stand by my claim that besides the top three, there is no sure thing medal contender at the Worlds level. Having said that, I would agree that the top 3 in the States are still one of the best in the World.
I think we may see Julia S. as the dark horse at the worlds, though.
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