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    Oldy but goody. Sasha Cohen 2006 Torino.

    I was rewatching Torino, and I have to admit I find Cohen's LP a gem. She misses the pick on her two opening jumps, and then, when anyone in their right mind would just phone the rest in and call it a day, SHE DELIVERS. And wins Silver. I have so much respect for her. This is an Olympic performance. You know how hard it had to have been to miss the first two jumps, jumps she had landed consistently for 8 years. An Olympic champion in spirit. Great job, Sasha/Alex.

    http://youtu.be/GMJaam4ldxA

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    No matter from which angle or which moment you look at her, she is so beautiful.

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    Watch her Romeo and Juliet and Swan Lake. This girl became her music. Sasha fest!!!! Please link your faves-too late tonight.

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    This is the best female CoP program to date, along with Yu-N'a Lark Ascending at 2007 Worlds. Since then, programs have lost the value of artistic movement. The footwork sequence rules are a big, big problem these days since they require such an unnecessary amount of movement and time to complete. And there's no room for overwhelmingly sweeping spiral sequences like what Sasha did anymore, unless you put it at the end of the program. That's a shame. It's like saying you're only allowed to eat after 5pm. What's the point? Figure skating is starving itself right now.

    Plus, in general, people have become obsessed with useless filler movement to show off skating skills and transitions, at the cost of the performance and program as a whole...which is because the judging of the sport is CRAP and the judges don't actually understand choreography and interpretation, nor do they differentiate between the program components enough even if they do recognize it.

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    I love your posts as they usually say what I feel, but with better cop understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    This is the best female CoP program to date, along with Yu-N'a Lark Ascending at 2007 Worlds. Since then, programs have lost the value of artistic movement. The footwork sequence rules are a big, big problem these days since they require such an unnecessary amount of movement and time to complete. And there's no room for overwhelmingly sweeping spiral sequences like what Sasha did anymore, unless you put it at the end of the program. That's a shame. It's like saying you're only allowed to eat after 5pm. What's the point? Figure skating is starving itself right now.

    Plus, in general, people have become obsessed with useless filler movement to show off skating skills and transitions, at the cost of the performance and program as a whole...which is because the judging of the sport is CRAP and the judges don't actually understand choreography and interpretation, nor do they differentiate between the program components enough even if they do recognize it.
    I don't know. I'm very partial to Yuna's Danse Macabre SP (2009 Worlds) and her Koren Folk Music FS (2011 Worlds). I think the artistry she showed in both of those is at least equal to her presentation in The Lark Ascending. I also think Mao's Liebestraume FS (2010-2011 season) and Chopin FS (2008 Worlds) and Suzuki's Cirque de Soleil FS (2012-2013 season) are masterpieces even considering the cookie-cutter nature of CoP programs.

    I love Sasha's Romeo and Juliet, though. It's such a shame she missed those opening jumps. She surely would've been the Olympic champ if she'd skated a clean program. In fact, I'd argue that she was still better than Arakawa even with the mistakes, but I see why Arakawa's 5-triple program won on the day.

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    Yu-Na's Danse Macabre is a vastly overrated program, IMO. She performed it very well, and the packaging made her look drop-dead gorgeous for the first time, but in terms of choreography and interpretation it's really not that special. The spins and spirals are just kind of...there...and the footwork sequence really wavers and loses focus trying to cram all of the steps/turns in. A classic case of how CoP rules hurt choreography is by looking at Yu-Na holding that I-spin position for the 8+ revolutions just to get the level bonus. It's not a very good position for her, so not only does it become tedious to look at, it wastes time giving no interpretation to the music when she should have been doing actual choreography to close out the program.

    I much prefer Mao Asada's Claire de Lune that season...

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    I don't understand what's so special about this girl.

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    To Moment: Fortunately, there are many other skaters for you to enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    I don't understand what's so special about this girl.
    I kind of know what you mean. I love a lot of her programs but I think the more I've learned about what good skating is, the more I feel like certain aspects of her skating were overrated, particularly her skating skills. She was frequently on two feet and did not use edges as much as she could have; her spiral sequences were typically in diagonal straight lines. However, from the ankles up she was spectacular and knew how to sell a program better than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I kind of know what you mean. I love a lot of her programs but I think the more I've learned about what good skating is, the more I feel like certain aspects of her skating were overrated, particularly her skating skills. She was frequently on two feet and did not use edges as much as she could have; her spiral sequences were typically in diagonal straight lines. However, from the ankles up she was spectacular and knew how to sell a program better than anyone.
    She had her weaknesses but she was still a special skater. Great lines and positions, great spins and spirals, and felt the music beautiful. Her jumps weren't her strength, but they were impressive in a way too. The quick snappy rotational qualities Dick Button spoke about had an explosiveness and impression to them, when she landed them that is. She may not have a gold title but she was still a memorable skater. How much pleasure a skater gives to viewers isn't all about titles. Think of a team like Totmianina & Marinin who won many titles and deserved them but are not memorable. Sadly I fear Voloszhar & Trankov are going along the same path, unless in the years after Sochi and with the relief of the Olympic Gold behind them they branch out more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovarkovaelegant View Post
    She had her weaknesses but she was still a special skater. Great lines and positions, great spins and spirals, and felt the music beautiful. Her jumps weren't her strength, but they were impressive in a way too. The quick snappy rotational qualities Dick Button spoke about had an explosiveness and impression to them, when she landed them that is. She may not have a gold title but she was still a memorable skater. How much pleasure a skater gives to viewers isn't all about titles. Think of a team like Totmianina & Marinin who won many titles and deserved them but are not memorable. Sadly I fear Voloszhar & Trankov are going along the same path, unless in the years after Sochi and with the relief of the Olympic Gold behind them they branch out more.
    Really? T/M aren't memorable? I'm pretty sure Tatiana would consider 2004 SA to be memorable. I'm also pretty sure that their 2005 world title mere months after she slammed 8ft onto her head is memorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovarkovaelegant View Post
    She had her weaknesses but she was still a special skater. Great lines and positions, great spins and spirals, and felt the music beautiful. Her jumps weren't her strength, but they were impressive in a way too. The quick snappy rotational qualities Dick Button spoke about had an explosiveness and impression to them, when she landed them that is. She may not have a gold title but she was still a memorable skater. How much pleasure a skater gives to viewers isn't all about titles. Think of a team like Totmianina & Marinin who won many titles and deserved them but are not memorable. Sadly I fear Voloszhar & Trankov are going along the same path, unless in the years after Sochi and with the relief of the Olympic Gold behind them they branch out more.
    I agree about Sasha. Her ankles-down skills weren't great, especially when compared to Michelle, but her other attributes were grand. She always added something special to the music and the performance, and I am glad to be her fan.

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    I was in the arena the night of her short.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mgTEXcTbis
    I still consider this one of the greatest shorts of all time. Sasha was doing something no one has tried sence. She was a true ballerina. She could hit every beat with her moves. In a combo spin each change of position popped to the music. It gave her extra electricity. Many skaters try to look balletic but Sasha was balletic. I think this added musicality made it harder for her to skate clean.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    I was rewatching Torino, and I have to admit I find Cohen's LP a gem. She misses the pick on her two opening jumps, and then, when anyone in their right mind would just phone the rest in and call it a day, SHE DELIVERS. And wins Silver. I have so much respect for her. This is an Olympic performance. You know how hard it had to have been to miss the first two jumps, jumps she had landed consistently for 8 years. An Olympic champion in spirit. Great job, Sasha/Alex.

    http://youtu.be/GMJaam4ldxA

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