I think saying "they" are killing the sport is on the excessive side, but I would be interested to hear the reasons you think they are killing the sport. Personally, I think there are many things hurting the sport ( spotty tv access, etc) , but I would place these people you call "idiots" near the bottom of the list.
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I think saying "they" are killing the sport is on the excessive side, but I would be interested to hear the reasons you think they are killing the sport. Personally, I think there are many things hurting the sport ( spotty tv access, etc) , but I would place these people you call "idiots" near the bottom of the list.
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That's why its call figure skating. Patrick Chan has gotten away so many times with less serve -GOE and even +GOE for his triple splats. So has Carolina and other skaters.
I don't think the sport is being killed by fans who will watch and are interested. We live in a World where folks would rather
watch Honey Boo Boo and Dog The Bounty Hunter than this beautiful sport/artform known as figure skating. Thank goodness
for NBC's capsule coverage, the various and sundrie online options and youtube fs videos.
And while we're drifting a bit, this sure is a nice board.
Mike
watch Honey Boo Boo and Dog The Bounty Hunter than this beautiful sport/artform known as figure skating. Thank goodness
for NBC's capsule coverage, the various and sundrie online options and youtube fs videos.
And while we're drifting a bit, this sure is a nice board.
Mike
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I am not necessarily disagreeing with the gist of what you are saying, but as Mathman pointed out, there already IS a system in place. I think the real problem with IJS (at least probably the most glaring one) is the anonymous judging, because with it accountability to fans of the sport goes out the window.
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Btw., are there any official communication channels between the competitiors and the judges, even if relayed anonymously through ISU? I wonder what skaters can do if they have questions regarding their marks, can they request an explanation from "judge #3", for example? It might be helpful for ISU too to find out whose judgement the athletes find difficult to comprehend. If one judge is asked particularly often by many different skaters, ISU might want to investigate. Is there any such system in place?
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Did Gracie double the second triple in her combination? what were her other errors?
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I think you will have to find a better example if you want to complain about the judging. Six of the nine judges saw it as a -2 (a fall would have been -3). One thought it was a little worse than that, two thought it was not quite so bad. Throwing out highest and lowest leaves -2, -2, -2, -2, -2, -2. -1.
I'm not exactly tearing my hair out about the vagaries of the judging system.
I think you will have to find a better example if you want to complain about the judging. Six of the nine judges saw it as a -2 (a fall would have been -3). One thought it was a little worse than that, two thought it was not quite so bad. Throwing out highest and lowest leaves -2, -2, -2, -2, -2, -2. -1.
I'm not exactly tearing my hair out about the vagaries of the judging system.
Like I said, the jump should have gotten a minus 3 since deductions are cumulative. Not a single minus 3 was counted for the jump (instead even one minus 1 was counted) which is a shame. Of course some other marks were also dubious but at least the PCS are more subjective and more open to debate.
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Looking at the published criteria for negative GOE, I think the judges took off -1 for "under-rotation, no <", and -1 for "weak landing." The "landed on two feet" error (-3 all by itself) means actually coming down plop with the weight on both feet.
In addition some of the judges might have felt that there were mitigating positive features, such as good height and distance, good air position. element timed to the musical structure, etc.
Of all the questions that can be raised about the judging so far, this one has to be pretty far down the list, IMHO.
"Weak landing" does not mean turnout + touch down of free foot. Those are errors are listed separately.
For each of them you get at least -1, for the underrotation another -1, that makes it -3 overall and that is already generous. And positive features for that axel which wasn't very high, did not have a difficult entry etc. I totally disagree with that.
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I agree. Between her and Radionova, there really shouldn't be that much of a gap PCS, if at all. Actually I think she deserves higher PCS than Elena. Although I love both, Satoko is way more polished and has better lines and maturity. I think she gets undermarked because of her physical size. She really should be getting 7s in PCS.
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I have Communication 1790 open to page 14 and I am not seeing those particular errors listed at all.
If I did the math correctly, not until 5:10 AM eastern.
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So true. Back then we could only holler and scream about the judging overall, not element by element.
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I'll be back tomorrow for my post-competition PBP reading-fest.
If I weren't just getting over the flu I'd have more energy to stay up for the early bird competitions!Why judges using underrotated < jumps for only lower ranked skaters? I think Asada's 3A and Gold's 3Lo looked underrotated. This is Olympic year. I hope this not a trend for this year.
Mao's 3A was rotated enough to get full base value, every commentator whether British, German, or Russian said so, and more importantly so did the technical panel, so why don't you finally accept it !
