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Mens free skate starting momentarily so I'm hopping over to that thread. Hope to see many of you there. Thanks for a great discussion of the pairs!
Pairs Free Skating: 2013 NHK Trophy
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Sui isn't light anymore, she grew and filled out and will probably grow taller
hence the aborted lifts, jump and throw problems
baically their root problem is Han is a midget for a male pairs compared with Sui
Since my heart is really broken by Sui/Han today, I have to imagine some sort of conspiracy theory here:
1) Right before the competition, Peng/Zhang and Sui/Han was told whichever pair got the 2nd, goes Sochi. Therefore, Han got super super nervous and broke down;
2) Han was told Sui will be competing with another partner.
3) Han senses Sui is still growing and felt hopeless for the future.
1. Which pair goes to Sochi depend on the highest score they get, 70% from international and 30% from national competition. PZ has much higher score than SH in national competition and got enough score in COC to beat SH.
2. Not possible, currently no better male partner than Han. Similarly, just see how diffcult Narumi find a new partner and how they perform now.
3. Sui grew last year and had serious bone problem caused by her growth. She is not likely to recover unless the growth stops.
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Barbara Fusar-Poli and yes, she is a coach who collaborates with Igor Shpilband.
V/T are amazing. Skating after Sui/Han, their lines & basics look even better than they already are (which is very, very good). I find that the program is growing on me. And live, they, to me, had more flow, speed and power than almost any other team. And I saw them in their second season together so I imagine this is even stronger now. I also think they seem like nice people and come across as super appreciative of their fans.
Sui/Han have made improvements (which are very noticeable on the SP), but I find this LP doesn't highlight their best qualities. And of course, this performance was a mess. I think that if she grows a bit (either heightwise & width wise) he will have even more trouble lifting her.
This is well known. I think other athletes whose ages were questioned were Yu/Jin, Zhang/Zhang & Bingwa Geng.
Sui/Han have made improvements (which are very noticeable on the SP), but I find this LP doesn't highlight their best qualities. And of course, this performance was a mess. I think that if she grows a bit (either heightwise & width wise) he will have even more trouble lifting her.
This is well known. I think other athletes whose ages were questioned were Yu/Jin, Zhang/Zhang & Bingwa Geng.
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If this doesn't show a sweet side to Trankov, I don't know what does! (particularly to fans of Lambiel!)
http://instagram.com/p/gdDmssuVbK/#
http://instagram.com/p/gdDmssuVbK/#
Haha. So let me get this straight. Fusar-Poli is coaching with Shpilband and Margaglio is coaching with Zueva? Oy vey. I love this sport
Sometimes Sui/Han rush into their lifts and I worry they aren't going to get up. And it's become even more glaring now that she's closer to him in size.
Pair skating is cruel. Han is a great pair skater, but at 5'7", he doesn't really belong in Sr pairs. Sui must really be feeling the pressure to stay extra small.
Pair skating is cruel. Han is a great pair skater, but at 5'7", he doesn't really belong in Sr pairs. Sui must really be feeling the pressure to stay extra small.
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(Sui/Han) Never do that to your partner again, bad PR for a life time
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Haha. So let me get this straight. Fusar-Poli is coaching with Shpilband and Margaglio is coaching with Zueva? Oy vey. I love this sport
Funny world
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This reminds me I think of that Italian coach with Shipland - didn't she give her partner the stare of death at the Olympics in I believe 2006? I just remember this woman with a rather harsh look giving the Joan Collins/Susan Lucci stare. I think it is her - well it looks like her - that was a moment that will long be remembered in Olymic history. She really had that witch with a capital B look (oops sorry if that is too nasty).
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PAIRS FREE SKATE - VIDEOS (By Starting Order)
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV (RUS) Long Program
2. Narumi TAKAHASHI / Ryuichi KIHARA (JPN) Long Program
3. Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS (CAN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
4. Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR (USA) Long Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER (USA) Long Program, 2nd Copy
6. Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG (CHN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
7. Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
8. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) Long Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, Interview
Medal Ceremony
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV (RUS) Long Program
2. Narumi TAKAHASHI / Ryuichi KIHARA (JPN) Long Program
3. Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS (CAN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
4. Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR (USA) Long Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER (USA) Long Program, 2nd Copy
6. Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG (CHN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
7. Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN) Long Program, 2nd Copy
8. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) Long Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, Interview
Medal Ceremony
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
As a skate fan from China, I agree with @metatron 's remarks. Han is curently the best suitable partner for Sui. And in China, pairs don't break or form that frequently as in European and Northen America, unless in the rare case like Zhangdan with Zhanghao.
And for their height issue, he is 3 years older than she. As we know that girls reach their puberty earlier that boys. If Sui continues to grow, there's no reason why he stops growing.
The competitive situation between S/H and P/Z is favoring the latter, with 21 points lead in Nationals. Sui had a serious problem with her blade. Although the highest score of international competitions weighs more than that of the nationals(70%: 30%), S/H stills have to beat P/Z at least 10 points in Internationals.
As for the terrible performance of this pair, news confirms that Han has got a bad fever arriving in Japan and is sent to hospital right after the LP. I hope him welll.
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NEWS (I think?), re Sui/Han:
Han has been feeling ill, according to the ISU's official recap of the FS.
(Sorry, I have not read this thread -- don't know if his condition already has been discussed.)
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Han has been feeling ill, according to the ISU's official recap of the FS.
(Sorry, I have not read this thread -- don't know if his condition already has been discussed.)
Excerpt:
Sui/Han’s program to “Kalinka” included a quadruple twist, a throw triple Salchow and two level-four lifts, but they made several errors including her falling from a lift. The three-time World Junior Champions received 101.19 points and slipped to third at 171.32 points. “It was not a good competition for us. Yesterday I started having a headache and a fever. I ended up getting up at 2 am and couldn’t go back to bed until 5 am. I had to be on the 6 am bus. I’m feeling very bad”, Han explained.
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Don't forget B/L. It depends how it shakes out but they are very capable of 2 silvers or a silver and a bronze with (maybe) higher score than S/H. They are also capable of 4th though we'll have to see.
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is anyone else having trouble viewing Denney/Frazier video link?
According to Sui Wenjing, Han cong has a fever and was sent to hospital right after the competition....
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Thank you for the update. I feel much better for this pair now.
I feel much better after I know that too. I really love this pair and hope they will be on the podium in the future include the WC and OG. I feel weird since Han Cong made nearly no mistakes in the competition these years. A GP can't make him that nervous and awkward. Must be some reason there.
