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Thread: Asada's 3A: underrotated or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bebevia View Post
    ...So, you can start pre-rotate forward, take off backward? That's called a loop.

    Standards of execution may vary depending on difficulty, but the standard of form shouldn't. What we call UR in 2A should apply to 3A, otherwise 3A shouldn't be called 3A - which I'm fine with, BTW, as I endorse various forms of jumps (half-axels should be ratified as eligible jumps). Also, guys too should be marked on the UR if applicable; I'm not against that either.
    Actually, the skater is almost always facing forward at the takeoff of a loop, as you can see in this replay, and this one too. Axels should be less prerotated than 1/2, though.

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    Who are the callers at the Olympics?

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    Not from Japan, Korea, Italy, the USA-they made a rule that countries from top 5 at 2013 Worlds can't be on the tech panel at the Olympics-I think I am remembering this correctly???

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    It's interesting nobody hasn't commented on Asada's 3T.

    Look at her feet when she executed the 2A+3T in this GPF.

    START, START2, Toepick, takeoff, landing

    Her 3T seems to be underrotated almost 180 degrees.

    I don't know why the technical panel didn't notice it.

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    There is a really simple answer to the original question.

    Yes her 3A is under rotated when she happens to under rotate it.

    When she does rotate it, then it isn't under rotated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szidon View Post
    It's interesting nobody hasn't commented on Asada's 3T.

    Look at her feet when she executed the 2A+3T in this GPF.

    START, START2, Toepick, takeoff, landing

    Her 3T seems to be underrotated almost 180 degrees.

    I don't know why the technical panel didn't notice it.
    Her toeloop wasn't underrotated. If she left the ice facing the long side wall (to the right of the camera), that means her skate would need to land facing the far short wall on the other side of the rink from the camera. As you can see, she managed to successfully make it that far around. Jumps leave the ice 1/2 of a rotation into the jump. A triple jump actually only gets a 2.25 rotations in the air, at minimum.

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    A better question would be is her 3A ever rotated? The answer is absolutely, she's done it many many times but you know there are those who will never admit that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Her toeloop wasn't underrotated. If she left the ice facing the long side wall (to the right of the camera), that means her skate would need to land facing the far short wall on the other side of the rink from the camera. As you can see, she managed to successfully make it that far around. Jumps leave the ice 1/2 of a rotation into the jump. A triple jump actually only gets a 2.25 rotations in the air, at minimum.
    I think you're making a new definition of underrotated jumps.

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    Sure, if you want to credit me with inventing physics and geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmanmao View Post
    A better question would be is her 3A ever rotated? The answer is absolutely, she's done it many many times but you know there are those who will never admit that.
    I believe this video clearly proves that she can and does clean 3a: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK01mukJJe0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin99 View Post
    I believe this video clearly proves that she can and does clean 3a: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK01mukJJe0
    What I wrote is not about whether she can do or not. It's all about judging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmanmao View Post
    A better question would be is her 3A ever rotated? The answer is absolutely, she's done it many many times but you know there are those who will never admit that.

    Maybe in practice but in competition I don't think I've ever seen a clean, fully rotated triple axel from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmanmao View Post
    A better question would be is her 3A ever rotated? The answer is absolutely, she's done it many many times but you know there are those who will never admit that.
    Welcome to Golden Skate, chairmanmao! Post long & often!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David21 View Post
    Maybe in practice but in competition I don't think I've ever seen a clean, fully rotated triple axel from her.
    So you're saying none of her triple axels have been cleanly rotated? So all three 3A in Vancouver weren't clean and fully rotated?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    There is a really simple answer to the original question.

    Yes her 3A is under rotated when she happens to under rotate it.

    When she does rotate it, then it isn't under rotated.
    I think this post answers the question clearly and concisely.

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