IA. Loved Mao, she skated beautifully to a lovely program but her and Dai's favorable calls for obvious URs -- on home ice -- does nothing to for the sport! I hope the Olympic panel will be strict on everyone.
Ladies Free Skate: 2013 NHK Trophy
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IA. Loved Mao, she skated beautifully to a lovely program but her and Dai's favorable calls for obvious URs -- on home ice -- does nothing to for the sport! I hope the Olympic panel will be strict on everyone.
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I'm confused why Radionova does 3Loop-half loop-3Sal. It looks ugly (partially because she underrotates the half-loop part and should actually receive 0 points for it) and it's worth less points to begin with than a 3Loop+3Toe, if she does 3Sal+2Toe+2Loop later in the program as the three-jump combo.
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I am quite disappointed at Mao's URs. If it were another skater, the TES would be complete different story.
Her new costume does add some power to her skating though.
I always like her step sequences, but I liked her 2010 program more. The step sequence in her current program is too short, and too close to the end of the program--I feel the show ended right after it (the steps) started
Her new costume does add some power to her skating though.
I always like her step sequences, but I liked her 2010 program more. The step sequence in her current program is too short, and too close to the end of the program--I feel the show ended right after it (the steps) started
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Isn't it a new combo? Quite a lot of staters do that (Anna, even Joannie Rochette at JO). I agree that it first appears to be a mistake before you get used to it.
I always like her step sequences, but I liked her 2010 program more. The step sequence in her current program is too short, and too close to the end of the program--I feel the show ended right after it (the steps) started
I do tend to prefer Lori Nichol's programs for Mao as they are often more balanced and have lovely in-between unlisted elements (falling leaf, wally, etc). As for Tarasova's Rachmaninov, I agree that the step sequence followed by the seemingly rushed choreo sequence is not ideal. This is partly because of the stupid rule stating choreo shouldn't come after the step sequence. The program still has beautiful and gentle moments between the elements where she feels the music, and all this while she's going for those crazy jumps! This has been debated countlessly before, but I do want some people to take a moment to reflect that this woman is going for a 3 axel. That is a BIG freaking deal. This deserves respect from the sport. Her fellow athletes seem to acknowledge this.
That's what happens when an attempt is made to turn a skater into something she isn't and probably won't be. She should skate to her own drum.
Isn't that a costume she wore in another competitive year? Of course, she hasn't ever used it for this program
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It's not "new", but it has become much more common with the current rules, yes.
However, for a female program under the current rules, there is no point in doing it, in terms of technical base value, unless you aren't able to do a 3Toe combo. With the current CoP rules, the advantage of a xxx-half loop-3Sal combo is that it allows you to repeat a higher base value jump in your program, instead doing 3Toe twice as the back-end of your combination jumping passes. However, you need repeat Triple Axels or Quads for it to actually give you an advantage. Since no female skater does that, this combo isn't the best option for getting points. Having two xxx+3Toe combinations in your program, plus a xxx+2Toe+2Loop combo, results in a higher base value.
Since Radionova showed in the SP that she can do 3Loop+3Toe combo, and since she did the +2Toe+2Loop combos consistently in the past, this current layout doesn't help her.
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I'm only just catching up with PBPs (thank you everyone who posted! - much appreciated!) - this is very exciting! Talk about nerves and pressure!
Two stunning 3lutzes and a 3loop from Nagasu while waiting. I hope she'll land them as well in her program.
Skaters are screwed. Waiting such a long time after warm-up is far from optimal. :/
Poor Mirai!
I think it's perhaps more because Mirai has always been quite popular in Japan.
I hope that's the reason - but it's probably a little too late. I think she's going to get buried at Nationals no matter how she does. IMO the US Federation has already made their decision as to which skaters will be considered for that third spot - sadly I don't think that Mirai is in that group any longer. I hope she proves me wrong.
Love Mao to bits - but it seems unfair to hit skaters like Mirai with deserved URs and then to ignore the favorites mistakes.
I'm getting so angry of the PCS boost for Asada and of the Japanese inflation for Asada at NHK
Seriously, why Asada have always inflated score at NHK trophy ? At each year, she doesn't deserve the title. Last year Suzuki should have win the event and this year Radionova should have win, shame on you Asada!!
I think she still deserved the win overall. Maybe with not such a high score, a PB no less.
In the end I guess it won't matter - unless they do the same at the GPF. It will be very unfair to skaters who put their best out there with no mistakes if Kostner and Asada also are given a pass on obvious errors. Hopefully that won't happen - especially at the Olympics. No controversies please!
Once again, thank you Mao88 for videos!! You too Kutien! You guys are awesome!
Btw, does anyone think there should have been a second warm up for the first group due to the technical glitch? I honestly don't think it affected Mirai myself. I think her mistakes came either from not-well broken new boots - or just from Mirai. I'm hoping for the first rather than the second. I'm hoping Mirai has much better skates at Rostelecom Cup.
Love Mao to bits - but it seems unfair to hit skaters like Mirai with deserved URs and then to ignore the favorites mistakes.
I think she still deserved the win overall. Maybe with not such a high score, a PB no less.
In the end I guess it won't matter - unless they do the same at the GPF. It will be very unfair to skaters who put their best out there with no mistakes if Kostner and Asada also are given a pass on obvious errors. Hopefully that won't happen - especially at the Olympics. No controversies please!
Once again, thank you Mao88 for videos!!
Btw, does anyone think there should have been a second warm up for the first group due to the technical glitch? I honestly don't think it affected Mirai myself. I think her mistakes came either from not-well broken new boots - or just from Mirai. I'm hoping for the first rather than the second. I'm hoping Mirai has much better skates at Rostelcom Cup.
I agree with you. I did love Mao's program, although I have to say I like her original dress better. Also, I am no technical panel and not even close to judging underrotation and edge calls, etc. correctly, but Mao's both flips and last double loop in the combo looked slightly underrotated (or rotated after the toepick hit the ice already). I can't be sure, though, since my eyes are not well trained, so it remains just my personal opinion, nothing more... All in all, great skate from Mao, especially the step sequence and choreo sequence! Her skating is just so.... smooth!! She did deserve the win in every aspect, although her score seems tiny bit too high... maybe around 200 would have been fair, but then again, that's my personal opinion and the judges have more trained opinions, I guess....
Elena was amazing!! Superb techniques (for now at least... we will see after her puberty... I hope she survives her puberty wisely)
Valentina was beautiful! Too bad it's her last season...
Alena looks a bit better than last season or earlier this season at national events.
A bit disappointed with Akiko's mistakes but she is lovely as always. She is just beautiful just like Valentina but in a different way.
I hope Mirai does better in Russia later!!! Even with her mistakes, she has something special
Satoko did really well and she is very expressive for a 15 year old, but her jumps worry me a lot...
Lastly, thanks so much mao88 for the videos!! Really appreciated your work
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Elena was a little firecracker out there! Ah, the sweet bird of youth. Here's crossing fingers and praying to the skate gods that she survives the puberty monster in the next few years! She really is a delight!
I was sad Akiko didn't put her best out there - but at least she still won a medal!
It is older skaters like Akiko and Carolina who give me hope that perhaps Mirai will have a revival if she still wants to skate after Sochi. I believe there's hope for everyone until retirement!
Here's crossing fingers and praying to the skate gods that she survives the puberty monster in the next few years! She really is a delight! I was sad Akiko didn't put her best out there - but at least she still won a medal!
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I wonder if Mirai could have asked to skate the program over? As long as she had to wait it could have affected her performance.
I'm typing this while I'm watching Mao's free skate. I have absolutely no fear about final results being spoiled because after Akiko's scores I know what the rankings MUST be (actually I guessed the podium before Akiko even started.)
Akiko fell all over the ice and still nudged Gracie off the podium. Mao had mistakes and still sailed past Elena R. with a seasons best. Sorry but a fair result would have been Gracie winning bronze by a couple points, and Mao much closer to Elena's score.
Why not just have all the non-Japanese skaters strap 30 pound weights to their backs, too?
Akiko fell all over the ice and still nudged Gracie off the podium. Mao had mistakes and still sailed past Elena R. with a seasons best. Sorry but a fair result would have been Gracie winning bronze by a couple points, and Mao much closer to Elena's score.
Why not just have all the non-Japanese skaters strap 30 pound weights to their backs, too?
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Oh I like their Lp a lot, I m glad it is not some love romance russian thing, i think they diva- sell it!
On topic, Akiko's Lp has some strange cuts but it certainly a good version of Phantom, Mao's program is a delight and I think they scrunitise her 3x a lot, it is certainly better than some men, Radionova is so great to watch, I was against RF sending her to seniors this season, she seems to shadow the olympic eligible girls, I love her, have been watching her for few years now! Her dress though was like a Christmas tree, it distructed me! And I like Bond girl Mirai, I dont like people abandoning her, she is just 20, Wagner had also some rough years but she bounced back.
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I totally agree
Why Radionova, a skinney 14 years, has to wear like she is a fully grown-up woman?
There are good programs only young girls and boys can perform,
Zijun’s “Sleeping Beauty”, Mao’s “Nuts Cracker”, Yuzuru’s “Romeo & Juliet” in 2011, and more.
That’s why I prefer Lipnitskaia’s “Schindler's List” than Radionova’s “Frida”.
Radionova is an excellent skater and has adorable smile, but in that costume, she reminds me Jody Foster in “Taxi Driver”.
“Let's let our girl skater stay girls until they ARE women”
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LADIES FREE SKATE - VIDEOS (By Starting Order) - Updated
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) Free Skate
2. Mirai NAGASU (USA) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
3. Alena LEONOVA (RUS) Free Skate
4. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) Free Skate
6. Gracie GOLD (USA) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
7. Elena RADIONOVA (RUS) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
8. Akiko SUZUKI (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
9. Mao ASADA (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy, Interview
Medal Ceremony
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Elene GEDEVANISHVILI (GEO) Free Skate
2. Mirai NAGASU (USA) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
3. Alena LEONOVA (RUS) Free Skate
4. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Valentina MARCHEI (ITA) Free Skate
6. Gracie GOLD (USA) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
7. Elena RADIONOVA (RUS) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
8. Akiko SUZUKI (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy
9. Mao ASADA (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy, Interview
Medal Ceremony
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
I don't get the Radionova love. She rotates a number of small sloppy jumps which seem spastic...those stiff legs and horrible ugly bent knees in places where there should be extension. (especially on the spread eagle-UGH)...her body positions seem so ugly to me. She does have a nice smile and personality on the ice...but I kept staring at that garish dress. Yes, she is only 14, but I've seen better 14 year olds.
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^ Actually, the "number" is seven. Seven fully rotated triple jumps, plus two double Axels, and with positive GOE on every element but one. She beat a two-time world champion on the TES side. This is a sport, and Radionova hit a home run.
Not as graceful as the more mature skaters, check. Don't like her costume, OK. There were 7 ladies at NHK who would be glad to exchange scores with her.
See you at the GP Finals, Elena.
Seven fully rotated triple jumps, plus two double Axels, and with positive GOE on every element but one. She beat a two-time world champion on the TES side. This is a sport, and Radionova hit a home run. Not as graceful as the more mature skaters, check. Don't like her costume, OK. There were 7 ladies at NHK who would be glad to exchange scores with her.
See you at the GP Finals, Elena.
