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Mao Asada: Olympic Gold Medal Favourite?

andyjo24

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Oh well... I will your respect your view about Mao's underrotation although I still firmly believe that many of her jumps were not fully rotated. As a Mao fan, I personally would not like her to receive points for triples that she did not fully rotate (and actually get feedback from the judges about what she needs to work on), so that she would be encouraged to work harder to rotate better on say for example, her triple flip, and so that by the time the Olympics comes, she will be more fully prepared in terms of actually rotating her jumps and not be marked down by the judges at Sochi, where she will not be given any home-based advantage.
 

mary01

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Creating mistakes you say. :laugh: Nobody underrotating her jumps like Asada. Kim, Gold, Kostner, Russians, Osmond, even Wagner rotating good. Not all time but majority of their jumps are clean. Asada's all jumps looked short. If this is not a mistake I don't know what it is.:laugh:

yes ofcourse, the whole technical panel at every competition are blind and so are all the judges, and every protocol out there is fake :clap:
What's more, please entertain me a bit longer
 

mary01

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Please watch the British Eurosport video of Mao's FS, where they comment on the underrotations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqG4sRerwk

Watch the slow-mo replay around 6:30. The commentator even states that the triple flip-double loop combo looped UR.

They also comment on the underrotation on her lutz: 1:55

At 1:54

OMG youre right, they said her 3A might slighty underrotated, but you see that was already apparent in the fake unreliable protocols :bang:
 

andyjo24

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Did you not hear what they have commented about the triple flip-double loop combo (more specifically, at 6:44) and the triple lutz, ignoring my references?

Anyway, think what you want. I will hold my own opinion, and you will hold yours.
 

CarneAsada

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Creating mistakes you say. :laugh: Nobody underrotating her jumps like Asada. Kim, Gold, Kostner, Russians, Osmond, even Wagner rotating good. Not all time but majority of their jumps are clean. Asada's all jumps looked short. If this is not a mistake I don't know what it is.:laugh:

That is simply not true. Gold and Wagner have also been getting free passes on underrotated jumps - Gold on her triple Loop in the NHK Trophy SP, Wagner on both her triple-triples at Skate America. In addition to the ones that weren't called, Wagner also had the < mark on two of her triples in the SA LP. Osmond? Osmond had to withdraw from Skate Canada due to injury. Not sure what you're seeing there. As for Kostner, well. She has gotten credit for underrotated triple-triples plenty of times in the past. In fact, she even got credit for an underrotated fall in March. Several of Asada's jumps looked short, but by no means did all of them look that way. If you think this is only a mistake from Asada then I don't know what you've been watching. :laugh:
 

mary01

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Did you not hear what they have commented about the triple flip-double loop combo (more specifically, at 6:44) and the triple lutz, ignoring my references?

Anyway, think what you want. I will hold my own opinion, and you will hold yours.

6:44 I hear them talk about the - goe of the 3A, which is also apparent in the clip, and not a single mention was made about an otherwise clearly under-rotated jump, but thank you for the very reliable references :disapp:
 

andyjo24

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6:44 I hear them talk about the - goe of the 3A, which is also apparent in the clip, and not a single mention was made about an otherwise clearly under-rotated jump, but thank you for the otherwise very reliable references :disapp:

Haha. Boy oh boy, I have to be dead-on specific when providing you evidence. Look at 6:50. That is EXACTLY where they mention the underrotation on the 3F-2Lo. Lol.
 

mary01

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Haha. Boy oh boy, I have to be dead-on specific when providing you evidence. Look at 6:50. That is EXACTLY where they mention the underrotation on the 3F-2Lo. Lol.

LOL, what a rock solid evidence you have there, the commentator didn't mention any clear underrotation here either, I guess this reference must also be wrong?
 

elif

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That is simply not true. Gold and Wagner have also been getting free passes on underrotated jumps - Gold on her triple Loop in the NHK Trophy SP, Wagner on both her triple-triples at Skate America. In addition to the ones that weren't called, Wagner also had the < mark on two of her triples in the SA LP. Osmond? Osmond had to withdraw from Skate Canada due to injury. Not sure what you're seeing there. As for Kostner, well. She has gotten credit for underrotated triple-triples plenty of times in the past. In fact, she even got credit for an underrotated fall in March. Several of Asada's jumps looked short, but by no means did all of them look that way. If you think this is only a mistake from Asada then I don't know what you've been watching.

I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.

yes ofcourse, the whole technical panel at every competition are blind and so are all the judges, and every protocol out there is fake
What's more, please entertain me a bit longer

I'm amazed of you mary01 :laugh: You are in the every thread where Asada's underotated triples are discussing and posting some angry/dismissing posts:laugh: And you are criticize poster who open thread about Asada's underotated triples :laugh: Not suspicious at all :laugh:
 

mary01

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I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.



I'm amazed of you mary01 :laugh: You are in the every thread where Asada's underotated triples are discussing and posting some angry/dismissing posts:laugh: And you are criticize poster who open thread about Asada's underotated triples :laugh: Not suspicious at all :laugh:

you see these threads and some posters comments were to amusing to leave, but I will surely ask your permission when I have to enter a new thread in the future :laugh:
 

CarneAsada

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I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.
"Majority of their jumps are clean" when talking about Kostner? LOL! :laugh: They're nice when she lands them, but she happened to have two clean triples in the FS at Cup of China. I suppose doubling your jumps can be considered keeping your jumps clean, but a clean double and a clean triple are two different things. In fact, a clean double is worth about the same as a filthy-looking triple. Having multiple mistakes in every FS is not "a couple of exceptions." Gracie hit 3 out of 7 triples at NHK; that is not better than Mao. At Skate America, Wagner hit 3 clean triples in her FS; that was also not better than Mao. Also, claiming that Asada's jumps deserve << when some of Gold, Wagner, and Kostner have a < is a completely inane statement.

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.
I am aware that Osmond withdrew after the SP. That's why I said she withdrew. :)
 

minze

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Oh well... I will your respect your view about Mao's underrotation although I still firmly believe that many of her jumps were not fully rotated. As a Mao fan, I personally would not like her to receive points for triples that she did not fully rotate (and actually get feedback from the judges about what she needs to work on), so that she would be encouraged to work harder to rotate better on say for example, her triple flip, and so that by the time the Olympics comes, she will be more fully prepared in terms of actually rotating her jumps and not be marked down by the judges at Sochi, where she will not be given any home-based advantage.

:confused:
 

junesong2

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I don't mind Mao getting full credit for slightly underrotated 3A. Most of skaters are getting full credit even though a lot of triples look suspicious on super slow motion.

What bothers me most is the fact many of Mao 3A were in fact two-foot landed. Because of that, a lot of time her 3A didn't look clean.
 

Jammers

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"Majority of their jumps are clean" when talking about Kostner? LOL! :laugh: They're nice when she lands them, but she happened to have two clean triples in the FS at Cup of China. I suppose doubling your jumps can be considered keeping your jumps clean, but a clean double and a clean triple are two different things. In fact, a clean double is worth about the same as a filthy-looking triple. Having multiple mistakes in every FS is not "a couple of exceptions." Gracie hit 3 out of 7 triples at NHK; that is not better than Mao. At Skate America, Wagner hit 3 clean triples in her FS; that was also not better than Mao. Also, claiming that Asada's jumps deserve << when some of Gold, Wagner, and Kostner have a < is a completely inane statement.


I am aware that Osmond withdrew after the SP. That's why I said she withdrew. :)
Gold doesn't have a reputation for underrotating her jumps unlike Mao or some of the other Ladies like Mirai. She usually rotates very fast in the air even though she's been struggling with her jumps this season.
 

CarneAsada

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Gold doesn't have a reputation for underrotating her jumps unlike Mao or some of the other Ladies like Mirai. She usually rotates very fast in the air even though she's been struggling with her jumps this season.

Right. My point was not that everyone else also has a reputation for underrotation. My point was that Mao is not the only one struggling with errors on jumps and to say that her competitors are "mostly clean" while Mao deserves << is being silly. And to answer the original question of this thread, no, not until all her jumps are solid and she can land all the big tricks in ONE go.
 

Selene

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Feb 7, 2012
The ISU is setting the stage for Mao Asada to win a gold medal in Sochi. The fact that her cheated "triple" jumps are being ratified is a sign that technical specialists have been instructed to turn a blind eye to Asada's underrotated jumps. She will be unbeatable for anyone but Kim and Kostner, considering her huge PCS and unique ability to underrotate all of her jumps and have the technical panels turn a blind eye to it.
 

Jammers

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Pretty sad if Mao wins the OGM especially considering how her jumping ability has been declining since at about 2008 and she can't even do a triple lutz or a 3-3 combo.
 

chloepoco

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The ISU is setting the stage for Mao Asada to win a gold medal in Sochi. The fact that her cheated "triple" jumps are being ratified is a sign that technical specialists have been instructed to turn a blind eye to Asada's underrotated jumps. She will be unbeatable for anyone but Kim and Kostner, considering her huge PCS and unique ability to underrotate all of her jumps and have the technical panels turn a blind eye to it.

I mean, really?
 
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