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Thread: Mao Asada: Olympic Gold Medal Favourite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    "Majority of their jumps are clean" when talking about Kostner? LOL! They're nice when she lands them, but she happened to have two clean triples in the FS at Cup of China. I suppose doubling your jumps can be considered keeping your jumps clean, but a clean double and a clean triple are two different things. In fact, a clean double is worth about the same as a filthy-looking triple. Having multiple mistakes in every FS is not "a couple of exceptions." Gracie hit 3 out of 7 triples at NHK; that is not better than Mao. At Skate America, Wagner hit 3 clean triples in her FS; that was also not better than Mao. Also, claiming that Asada's jumps deserve << when some of Gold, Wagner, and Kostner have a < is a completely inane statement.


    I am aware that Osmond withdrew after the SP. That's why I said she withdrew.
    Gold doesn't have a reputation for underrotating her jumps unlike Mao or some of the other Ladies like Mirai. She usually rotates very fast in the air even though she's been struggling with her jumps this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Gold doesn't have a reputation for underrotating her jumps unlike Mao or some of the other Ladies like Mirai. She usually rotates very fast in the air even though she's been struggling with her jumps this season.
    Right. My point was not that everyone else also has a reputation for underrotation. My point was that Mao is not the only one struggling with errors on jumps and to say that her competitors are "mostly clean" while Mao deserves << is being silly. And to answer the original question of this thread, no, not until all her jumps are solid and she can land all the big tricks in ONE go.

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    The ISU is setting the stage for Mao Asada to win a gold medal in Sochi. The fact that her cheated "triple" jumps are being ratified is a sign that technical specialists have been instructed to turn a blind eye to Asada's underrotated jumps. She will be unbeatable for anyone but Kim and Kostner, considering her huge PCS and unique ability to underrotate all of her jumps and have the technical panels turn a blind eye to it.

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    Pretty sad if Mao wins the OGM especially considering how her jumping ability has been declining since at about 2008 and she can't even do a triple lutz or a 3-3 combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    The ISU is setting the stage for Mao Asada to win a gold medal in Sochi. The fact that her cheated "triple" jumps are being ratified is a sign that technical specialists have been instructed to turn a blind eye to Asada's underrotated jumps. She will be unbeatable for anyone but Kim and Kostner, considering her huge PCS and unique ability to underrotate all of her jumps and have the technical panels turn a blind eye to it.
    I mean, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    The ISU is setting the stage for Mao Asada to win a gold medal in Sochi. The fact that her cheated "triple" jumps are being ratified is a sign that technical specialists have been instructed to turn a blind eye to Asada's underrotated jumps. She will be unbeatable for anyone but Kim and Kostner, considering her huge PCS and unique ability to underrotate all of her jumps and have the technical panels turn a blind eye to it.
    So let me get the straight. Mao's people: agent, coach , JSF officials had a meeting with the technical specialists and told them "do not mark any of Mao's jumps underrotated or give negative GOE." Please do tell ,where you at that meeting, because you seem to have some inside information about what happened? You taped the conversation? You took picures? Please share all the information you have. Otherwise you are slandering the tech specialists and the JSF

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    4CC 3A<, 3F3Lo<, 3Flutz, 2A3T<, 2S, 3F2Lo2Lo, 3Lo =3triples+ 1 flutz+ 3 under-rotated triple jumps (3A, 3Lo, 3T)
    World 3A, 3F<, 3Flutz, 2A3T, 3S, 3F2Lo2Lo<, 3Lo2Lo =5triples+ 1 flutz+ 1 under-rotated triple jump (3F, 2Lo)
    WTT 2A, 3F3Lo<, 3Flutz, 2A2T, 3S<,3F<2Lo2Lo<, 3Lo =2triples +1 flutz+ 3 under-rotated triple jumps (3Lo, 3S, 3F, 2Lo)
    JOpen 3A, 3F2Lo, 3Flutz, 2A2T, 3S<, 3F2Lo2Lo, 3Lo =4triples+ 1 flutz+1 under-rotated triple jump (3S)
    SA 3A<, 3F2Lo, 3Flutz, 2A2T, 3S, 3F2Lo<2Lo<, 3Lo =4triples+ 1 flutz+ 1 under-rotated triple jump (3A, 2Lo, 2Lo)
    NHK 3A<, 3F2Lo, 3Flutz, 2A3T, 2S, 3F2Lo2Lo, 3Lo =4triples+ 1 flutz+ 1 under-rotated triple jump (3A)
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    I found that this year Asada always received negative GOE on her 3A. Half of them were under-rotated.
    She always landed flutz and her 3-2-2 attempts were often under-rotated.
    She couldn't bring triple-triple combination and her 2A3T and 3S were inconsistent.
    Asada can plan 8 triples, but unfortunately she mostly lands 4 triples, 1 flutz, and one under-rotated triple jump at best.

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    Well, I guess all this commotion is because Mao si doing very well lately , a lot of people didnt expected it and thought Yu-Na would be have the easy way, sorry but no, Mao is so competitive like Yuna, however calm down, I even think that Yuna has more probabilities of win because she almost never fall and she get tons of scores because goes and pcs, let Mao alone, she has all right to try it anyway.

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    For me, I think the main difference between the Mao/Yu-Na rivalry this year as opposed to 2010 is that it feels like Mao really wants it (OGM) more this go around than Kim does. It just doesn't feel like Yu-Na's heart has completely been in the game since after winning the OGM in 2010.

    That being said... wanting something badly has never meant solid delivery for Mao, unfortunately. Yu-Na is also extremely talented and can skate amazing, clean programs even when it feels like she'd rather be off doing something else. :-/

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    ^ It's good to see you posting again, bethissoawesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    For me, I think the main difference between the Mao/Yu-Na rivalry this year as opposed to 2010 is that it feels like Mao really wants it (OGM) more this go around than Kim does. It just doesn't feel like Yu-Na's heart has completely been in the game since after winning the OGM in 2010.

    That being said... wanting something badly has never meant solid delivery for Mao, unfortunately. Yu-Na is also extremely talented and can skate amazing, clean programs even when it feels like she'd rather be off doing something else. :-/
    Wanting something very intensely can also be a hindrance. It can be a motivator, and it can also make you extremely nervous and over-think things. I would say this is one of the reasons Michelle Kwan was too nervous in Nagano and made mistakes in SLC. She wanted it too much, especially in 2002.

    Yuna didn't need a second world title. But she delivered her best ever Worlds performance several years after she won everything (including Olympic gold). Whatever problems she may face in Sochi, it won't be lack of motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    "Majority of their jumps are clean" when talking about Kostner? LOL! They're nice when she lands them, but she happened to have two clean triples in the FS at Cup of China. I suppose doubling your jumps can be considered keeping your jumps clean, but a clean double and a clean triple are two different things. In fact, a clean double is worth about the same as a filthy-looking triple. Having multiple mistakes in every FS is not "a couple of exceptions." Gracie hit 3 out of 7 triples at NHK; that is not better than Mao. At Skate America, Wagner hit 3 clean triples in her FS; that was also not better than Mao. Also, claiming that Asada's jumps deserve << when some of Gold, Wagner, and Kostner have a < is a completely inane statement.
    I was talking about underrotated jumps. When Kostner lands them nobody, no commentators, no posters saying this could be underrotated. Yes Kostner sometimes doubled her jumps. But her double jumps are clean to. (Clean for underrotation) Unlike Mao who can't rotate 2Lo.

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    I don't know. I'll reserve judgment until I actually see Kim this season. I would agree that Kostner is out of the race (for now) though. I'd say Wagner might have a better chance of medalling than her at this point, although only a slightly better chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    I was talking about underrotated jumps. When Kostner lands them nobody, no commentators, no posters saying this could be underrotated. Yes Kostner sometimes doubled her jumps. But her double jumps are clean to. (Clean for underrotation) Unlike Mao who can't rotate 2Lo.
    At Cup of China, Kostner made as many obvious mistakes as Mao had under-rotations. Saying "when her jumps are clean" doesn't really say much when you accomplished all of 2 clean triples. And of course when Kostner doubles a jump, it's rotated; she's not doing a loop combination, is she? Mao doesn't exactly have issues rotating her doubled Salchows, Flips or Toes, or a doubled Loop that should have been a triple for that matter. Her rather unfortunate 2012 WC championship FS has plenty of clean doubles and singles if that's what you'd rather watch.

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    Most of Mao's jumps are less than 1/4 under which makes them "IJS clean". They are usually borderline, but ratifiable. Some of the 3A's she's gotten a serious benefit of the doubt on with the free foot landing simultaneous to the correct landing foot (which is usually at least a < call and often a << call)

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