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    Are I/K done after falling again?

    Who should their new coach be?

    Who could new partners be for both?

    What is causing these horrible level disasters?

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    I would guess one of 2 things (maybe both).

    1. The coach might not know how to tell whether they have hit their levels. (Solution: get another coach, or if they must stay with Morosov, hire time with a strict technical specialist.)

    2. They may not work hard enough to hit their levels consistently. (Easy solution: work harder-they are talented kids with good basic skills. It should not be beyond them.)

    I'd include the effects of possible injuries, etc, but low levels has been a persistent issue for I&K.

    They are still very young for dancers (19 & 22), same ages as the Shibsibs. Cappellini & Lanotte and Pechalat & Bourzat weren't top ten at those ages. By no means should they be all washed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Who should there new coach be?

    Who could new partners be for both?

    What is causing these horrible level disasters?
    Look on the scores these are early days yet! All three, C/L, S/S and I/K were bunched together. No need to be so fatalistic. These too are artists who always struggle with tes, they should be allowed to age like fine wine, the tes will come in time.

    Besides,start over form scratch,with whom? Zhulin doesn't want them back so where? Krylova/Carmelengo the only real option. Igor is a great techie, but his artistic vision not so much. Leave them alone, they need to gel. They have a real connection, didn't you just see their FD, starting over might be heartbreaking to both!

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    I can't get over their extreme level problems! It was very nice but then there was the score of the shibutanis and then there was the protocol with level 2's and the entire thing was destroyed beyond measure. They need a coach for training ANd levels and need to start over with a new Coach and if they can't train together for long hours maybe they need to find new partners. I don't know what is causing the low level disaster catastrophies which make them go back to 2010 and fall behind the shibutanis again. It's like 2010 all over and there awful diaster debut season which caused them to change coaches because they fell behind the shibutanis in the gp is now on repeat.

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    No. They just need a new coach who understand levels. I can't understand why Russian Federation didn't send one of the team at Igor. Look at Capellini/Lanotte. You can see change of skating after one season. They will lost a medal because of this. Maybe even team medal because Canada,USA,Italia,France already surpassed them.

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    they just need a new coach, Morosov doesnt seem to understand how to hit levels
    solution get a technical coach, go to Shipilband ?

    Morosov's students have been fleeing him
    they should have followed last summer

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    Yes they need a new coach and new technical people. Look at 2010-2011. They lost to the shibutanis a couple of times and they considered it so awful and a huge diaster because of 2010 jr worlds that they left zhulin. Now they have lost to the shibutanis a couple of times under morosov!

    The only solution is to change coaches before the next gp event or Russian nationals or euros or something. Gracie gold changed cosches a few weeks ago and zawadzki did. I don't know but this level of extreme disaster got them away from zhulin quick and it's happening again and they can't waste time. They actually need to switch cosches right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I would guess one of 2 things (maybe both).

    1. The coach might not know how to tell whether they have hit their levels. (Solution: get another coach, or if they must stay with Morosov, hire time with a strict technical specialist.)

    2. They may not work hard enough to hit their levels consistently. (Easy solution: work harder-they are talented kids with good basic skills. It should not be beyond them.)

    I'd include the effects of possible injuries, etc, but low levels has been a persistent issue for I&K.

    They are still very young for dancers (19 & 22), same ages as the Shibsibs. Cappellini & Lanotte and Pechalat & Bourzat weren't top ten at those ages. By no means should they be all washed up.
    ^This, especially Doris's last point.

    Oy, how fickle is fandom!

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    NHK's dance tech panel have two north americas and one japanese....just saying.

    I'm no good at looking at levels, can someone break down why they always get level 2s? For one I always thought their Cosp is one of the best in dance but they consistently got level 2 on that element. It is baffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    ^This, especially Doris's last point.

    Oy, how fickle is fandom!
    The last point begs the question of why I/K have fallen behind S/S AGAIN! Even in world top 10 standings and talent level there was a almost 2 whole seasons where I/K was indisputably better than I/K and now I/K have collapsed and lost to S/S in worlds and now NHK when 2011-2012 was just terrific as well and fall 2012. This is severe regression of I/K based on level 2's for 4 elements in the SD- worst in the competition and then the FD level 2 and low GOE for level 3. What causing this terrible collapse and falling behind S/S again? This is the Olympic season shouldn't I/K be trying to be better and not fall behind any more teams? Certainly not ones they surpassed? Now C/L have progressed and I/K are just fading to oblivion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    NHK's dance tech panel have two north americas and one japanese....just saying.

    I'm no good at looking at levels, can someone break down why they always get level 2s? For one I always thought their Cosp is one of the best in dance but they consistently got level 2 on that element. It is baffling.
    That is Kustarova thinking. When she coached B/S she was saying they only do level 4's but are not DW or VM so their level 4's are not called level 4's because DW are the leaders no matter what!

    The level 2's that rained down upon I/K at this comp indicate they and the coaches don't know how to hold positions or what steps to do either for ignorance or laziness in training!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    The last point begs the question of why I/K have fallen behind S/S AGAIN! Even in world top 10 standings and talent level there was a almost 2 whole seasons where I/K was indisputably better than I/K and now I/K have collapsed and lost to S/S in worlds and now NHK when 2011-2012 was just terrific as well and fall 2012. This is severe regression of I/K based on level 2's for 4 elements in the SD- worst in the competition and then the FD level 2 and low GOE for level 3. What causing this terrible collapse and falling behind S/S again? This is the Olympic season shouldn't I/K be trying to be better and not fall behind any more teams? Certainly not ones they surpassed? Now C/L have progressed and I/K are just fading to oblivion.
    This is first competition for I/K. Shibutanis season began with Skate America. When they can get their levels they will surpass S/S. Much much higher PCS, higher GOE too. That was easier for S/S. Because they are doing same elements forever. This is Marina's idea I think. Using same position for two different lifts in same program. Virtue/Moir changed of course but you can look at Shibutani's dance. This is easier for getting levels. This is not trying better for Olympic season. I respect I/K. Because they are taking risks and doing new elements.

    http://youtu.be/w92f3QtBFro?t=4m28s (4.28)
    http://youtu.be/w92f3QtBFro?t=2m19s (2.19)

    Only question when I/K will get their levels up. This is first time I'm optimistic about their programs. Best ever after the 2010.

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    These are I/K's best programs in a while. That itself has been a major issue. Beside the fact that 'Ghost' was a terror last season, they haven't had good dance choreography. I know Morosov is a former ice-dancer, but he really does not seem to be able to choreograph a good, complete ice dance program that can maximize on points. Which is a same given how good I/K are, and have the potential to become. I'd love to see them leave his camp, but not sure where they should go really.

    Also, as dorispulaski said, they need to train harder. That, or change the way they're training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    ^This, especially Doris's last point.

    Oy, how fickle is fandom!
    I think I/K said the same thing.

    Elena: We don't think about it. There are so many people talking. If we do something good, they start talking like, "oh, they are the best couple in Russia, they can win Olympic gold". Then if we make a mistake, do something wrong, they say we look like ****, we are no good. People are like high or low, but we only listen to our coach and our technical specialists; the people that help us.
    http://www.absoluteskating.com/index...nykhkatsalapov

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    NHK's dance tech panel have two north americas and one japanese....just saying.

    I'm no good at looking at levels, can someone break down why they always get level 2s? For one I always thought their Cosp is one of the best in dance but they consistently got level 2 on that element. It is baffling.
    He gets quite sloppy when he tries to speed up. Controlling speed is extremely difficult, which is one reason why D/W get such high marks.

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