01-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Constable , Costume Police
I hope they're not done... I wouldn't mind if Morozov was , though ...
01-17-2014, 08:46 PM
Does anybody else think that I/K would benefit from slowing down their twizzles a bit?
01-18-2014, 11:29 AM
Lots of us feel that way.
Originally Posted by colleen o'neill
01-18-2014, 01:37 PM
01-18-2014, 03:11 PM
I was thinking the same, they are trying to impress but they frequently get uncoordinated and now Elena fell.
Originally Posted by skateforever
01-18-2014, 04:22 PM
Agreed, if just a bit. It just might help Nikity.
Originally Posted by chapis
01-18-2014, 04:38 PM
I don’t think so, many couples start with low speed towards twizzles not because it would be more safe, but because they are afraid of it. Many people say that twizzles in ice dance are like quad in solo skating, so I will use a comparison in it – with more speed quad is less difficult, because speed helps you to get more energy into take off. While speed in twizzles helps you not to stand on one place (and do a spin) but to move and cover more ice. Understand everybody looses speed during twizzles, somebody more, somebody less, but this is not an element when you can gain speed in turns, it is impossible. If you start twizzles from more speed and then loose some speed during first turns, there is still some speed which remains, so you have to do a bigger technical mistake to stop and stay on one place during the twizzles then when you already start from slow speed and with minor technical mistake you stay on one place immediately. During European Championships Sinitsina & Zhiganshin were doing twizzles in very similar speed to I&K, and they covered the same meters on the ice althought the couple had just two set of twizzles, while I&K had three set of twizzles. How is it possible? If you look carefully especially on skates – blades, you will see that I&K starts with speed for the first set of twizzles, but in next two sets of twizzles they have a very little speed and cover less ice – during second and third set of twizzles I&K have the same speed like most of dancers in the field. Twizzles are about great technique, you have to control your blades perfectly not to stay on one place, if you do everything well in your technique, then you will travel across the ice beautifully like I&K usually in first set of twizzles and Sinitsina & Zhiganshin in both set of twizzles (but not always they do it in such great quality yet). I can’t say on 100% that doing twizzles from low speed is more difficult because loosing that small speed stops you, but I would definitely not say that more speed coming to twizzles makes it more difficult.
Originally Posted by skateforever
Nikita’s problem with twizzles are caused by technical problems with that element, nothing with speed. Lena has usually beautiful twizzles looking at her posture (in second and third set she has that “usual ice dancing“ speed like anyone else), but she made a technical mistake in third set of twizzles during free dance and she would fell even if she would do all sets in small speed. And Nikita would be struggling with twizzles from low speed even more than he is now.
01-18-2014, 04:40 PM
Nikita was struggling both in first and second set of twizzles - first set was made in bigger speed, while second set was made in normal or rather slow speed. Lena fell in third set which was done in slow speed and turns covered almost no ice. Nikita is struggling with that element using any speed, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by bramweld
01-18-2014, 04:50 PM
Then if they were only going to be ready for 2018 or 2022 It was pretty stupid to start pushing them now or for them to leave Jrs until they absolutely had to. Everyone was not stupid they saw how teams can go from Jrs to Olympic podium in 4 years and even if they were mistaken there on I/k how about learning something from 4 years in seniors and not in their 4th year being worse then ever in their whole careers which is now the position of I/k.
Originally Posted by jace93
Chock/bates have been partners briefly but far superior to I/k already.
01-18-2014, 04:53 PM
Lol at the new title!?!! No!
01-18-2014, 06:20 PM
ISU, stop promoting 2-foot skating!
01-18-2014, 06:27 PM
The mods have a good sense of humor.
01-18-2014, 06:36 PM
I'm gonna Customize the CRAP out of this Title!!!
How about the speed of rotation during twizzles? Zhiganshina/Gazsi are (veeery!) slow in that, despite their speed across the ice being normal. I'm always surprised that they still get good marks for their twizzles (if they get the levels, and if their unison is ok - which it often is not).
Originally Posted by sisinka
Wouldn't that decrease the chances of mistakes?
01-18-2014, 07:03 PM
What I meant was the speed of rotation during the twizzles. Thanks, Frenchie!
01-18-2014, 07:46 PM
It has been discussed that Elena was watching Nikita because there no trust from her that he can do it. No trust - no partnership! Chock and bates already have trust that's why there already better than I/k and that's a team that didn't exist when i/k were at their jr best.