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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Why could I/k never even beat b/s in one segment of a Russian nationals competition? Not even if b/s were being beaten by I/k outside of Russia and when both made the gpf? because the judges and federation never wanted to give them the title of Russian Dance champions because of the work ethic and training deficiencies! They could never be trusted with Russia number one! Imagine a Russia number one that gets 16th in Tes at a worlds like I/k did! Embarrassing.
    Exactly. B/S have their faults and I don't think they are a great team but they are atleast getting the most out of their potential (which isn't that great). I/K have had all kinds of problems getting their levels up, skating cleanly, and according to everyone who matters and has worked with them their work ethic and getting past their diva-like holier than thou attitude. It is one thing for someone like Scott Moir who is already an Olympic Champion to have that attitude, but another for a team who frankly has done squat all since their World Junior title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Exactly. B/S have their faults and I don't think they are a great team but they are atleast getting the most out of their potential (which isn't that great). I/K have had all kinds of problems getting their levels up, skating cleanly, and according to everyone who matters and has worked with them their work ethic and getting past their diva-like holier than thou attitude. It is one thing for someone like Scott Moir who is already an Olympic Champion to have that attitude, but another for a team who frankly has done squat all since their World Junior title.
    It's such an amazing statistic! B/S have never lost to I/K in anything inside Russia! Russia is where I/K are known best and all the federation powers and judges have never allowed I/K to ever beat B/S! It just can not happen. They won't allow I/K to actually become the face of Russian ice dance. Especially when it's not clear how much I/K are really invested in being good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    It's such an amazing statistic! B/S have never lost to I/K in anything inside Russia! Russia is where I/K are known best and all the federation powers and judges have never allowed I/K to ever beat B/S! It just can not happen. They won't allow I/K to actually become the face of Russian ice dance. Especially when it's not clear how much I/K are really invested in being good.
    This is where westerners don't understand leftover Communist mentalities. Seniority is at least 1 point a year in PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I agree they're not there yet with the MJ choreography yet, but I don't expect them to be at this point. Michael Jackson dance choreography IS very challenging to begin with and it's even more challenging when you're trying to hit levels and do it on ice. As I said in other posts, they need to make sure they're hitting the levels first before they can really sell the choreography. The fact that the Shibutanis managed to beat I/K despite a deficit in PCS/GOE relative to I/K, is an indication that you're money ahead to get the levels then to get +GOE/PCS. You can disagree with that part of COP, but Maia and Alex are smart for going that method, especially as it was the source of their downfall the last two seasons.

    As the Eurosport folks point out, the music is very staccato but yet they have to do long-glides in step sequences to get the levels. So they're going to have to figure out how to dance to the staccato parts of the music, yet maintain the edges to get the key points. But again, I think that will come with due time. They don't need to peak at NHK. They need to peak at Nationals to get on the Olympic team and then if they make it to the Olympics peak again to do well. NHK is just one step toward that process.

    Again, I/K may have more raw talent than the Shibs, but that certainly hasn't been reflected in their face-to-face matchup record.
    On the positive if I and K improve their levels there is an tendencey for pcs to rise as well so they could bounce back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    This is where westerners don't understand leftover Communist mentalities. Seniority is at least 1 point a year in PCS.
    I don't think it's highway robbery that I&K have consistently fallen behind B&S. I understand people are saying that I&K should have beaten B&S at least once sometime in a segment in the past few years for the sake of "fair judging." However, I don't think I&K have done anything extraordinary that calls for catapulting them ahead of B&S, and it's been fair that B&S have been Russia's #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    The great thing about Ice Dance nowadays is that there is so much room for friendly disagreement.

    My second favorite US team is H/D... I'm sure they're a technical step or two behind the podium, but I'm always caught up in their performance. If I said I thought the Shibs wouldn't be #3, it would be because they were bumped to #4, not jumped to #2.

    I will say, however, that the Shibs improvement is very apparent to me.

    I don't have much of an opinion of C/B, other than she definitely has the "it factor." I find her to be stunning.
    I find her annoying so there you go
    She just seems very self-absorbed, the "it's all about me" kind of performer. Poor Evan is just a background for her (or at least I see it that way). And I still miss Emily.

    As for I/K, someone in the Russian Fed should start working hard to get their priorities straight before the country's dance teams fall even lower than they are now. At this point, a no medal for Russia seems not only possible, but also probable and if I'm not wrong, it would be the first time in history. If I were in the Russian Fed, I'd start worrying.

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    First, I don't think I and k should be completely written off. I am not sure about their work ethic - though I am sure this website hasn't helped but blow things up even more and perhaps out of proportion.

    Second, there is still time for them to up the ante/tes. This is only their first event they have skated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    I don't think it's highway robbery that I&K have consistently fallen behind B&S. I understand people are saying that I&K should have beaten B&S at least once sometime in a segment in the past few years for the sake of "fair judging." However, I don't think I&K have done anything extraordinary that calls for catapulting them ahead of B&S, and it's been fair that B&S have been Russia's #1.
    Outside of Russia I/k have beaten b/s in SDs and FDs and it's happened at gpf worlds euros but never in Russian nationals ever for 2011, 2012, 2013!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    This is where westerners don't understand leftover Communist mentalities. Seniority is at least 1 point a year in PCS.
    Is it really communist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Outside of Russia I/k have beaten b/s in SDs and FDs and it's happened at gpf worlds euros but never in Russian nationals ever for 2011, 2012, 2013!
    But even I&K haven't beat B&S internationally for a long time now. I remember when I&K had a lot of hype as juniors. People were so impressed with them when they did the Native American dance (skated to the Duchesnays' Missing music ) years ago, but now not many people see them as contenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    But even I&K haven't beat B&S internationally for a long time now. I remember when I&K had a lot of hype as juniors. People were so impressed with them when they did the Native American dance (skated to the Duchesnays' Missing music ) years ago, but now not many people see them as contenders.
    When they first came out of juniors I remember people stating they would challenge VM and DW for the 2014 gold. Little did they know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    But even I&K haven't beat B&S internationally for a long time now. I remember when I&K had a lot of hype as juniors. People were so impressed with them when they did the Native American dance (skated to the Duchesnays' Missing music ) years ago, but now not many people see them as contenders.
    2013 euros free dance! I don't mean total victories where I/k beat b/s overall just in a segment. Just earlier this year! Which I think is amazing has never happened in Russia at all. of course they are not contenders now. The team at this point should consider breaking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    When they first came out of juniors I remember people stating they would challenge VM and DW for the 2014 gold. Little did they know.
    They have showed they don't want to work hard at all. What mind of senior team gets as many level 2s as they do? They are a pathetic team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    When they first came out of juniors I remember people stating they would challenge VM and DW for the 2014 gold. Little did they know.
    I remember being one of those. I was super excited about them coming out of juniors. They are the biggest dissapointments of this quadrennial in any discipline probably.

    Continuing to hear they are super lazy is disconcerting too. It is clear at this point they had better start to do the work or they are going to go into freefall soon, even in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I remember being one of those. I was super excited about them coming out of juniors. They are the biggest dissapointments of this quadrennial in any discipline probably.

    Continuing to hear they are super lazy is disconcerting too. It is clear at this point they had better start to do the work or they are going to go into freefall soon, even in Russia.
    There's certainly no rival in dance! Any potential rivals have already broken up for one reason or another. There's barely any rivals at all.

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