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Thread: Asada's 3F, 3FLutz, 3T & 2Lo: underrotated or not

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    Asada's 3F, 3FLutz, 3T & 2Lo: underrotated or not

    At NHK Trophy FS, Asada didn't lose a chance to showcase her strength, easiness and lightness of her skating.
    It was enjoyable to watch.

    But, again, when I saw the protocol of ladies' FS, I was amazed by the fact that there were no underrotation call on Asada's 3F, 3Flutz, 3T and 2Lo.

    1. 3F+2Lo
    I thought Asada's first 3F was O.K. But her 2Lo looked underrotated to me.

    3F_start, 3F_landing
    2Lo_skid, 2Lo_skid_2, 2Lo_takeoff, 2Lo_landing

    2. 3Flutz

    3Lutz_start, 3Lutz_start_2, 3Lutz_landing_1, 3Lutz_landing_2

    It's interesting to see her use the same deep inside edge when she jumps 3F and 3Flutz.

    3. 2A+3T
    Asada's 2A was great, but to me her 3T was underrotated.

    3T_start, 3T_landing_1, 3T_landing_2, 3T_landing_icemark

    The picture titled '3T_landing_icemark' was captured from the different video since it shows a little bit more vivid icemark of Asada's 3T.

    4. 3F+2Lo+2Lo

    Her second 3F seemed underrotated. Maybe she must be tired.

    2nd_3F_start, 2nd_3F_landing

    I think I'm not the only person who found Asada's underrotated jumps except her 3A given the broadcating commentaries and the posts in this forum.

    Hope eyesight tests should be done before the judges are assigned.

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    is it really necessary to have to make a thread for Mao's every jump ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    is it really necessary to have to make a thread for Mao's every jump ?
    Don't you consider figure skating as a sport?

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    I have to agree: for me, both her 3T and second 3F were UR, I could easily see it without the slow-motion, and last year she used to receive the marks she deserved, when this year the panels seem to be a lot more generous with Mao... Anyway, she's wonderful and a couple of UR calls wouldn't make a lot of difference!

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    Thanks szidon for the eye opening experience, sure is nice to be a cut above judges and tech callers.

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    For the LP, the caller was quite generous.

    EDIT: Never mind. Others have already said it.

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    It's fine if you want to discuss these things, but opening a thread for every single program is pretty weird. You can 'view figure skating as a sport' too in the NHK ladies FS thread or at least continue in the 3A thread you already have

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    szidon, she got everything ratified with positive goe, so live with it, deal with it, and mourn it!

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    And, so it begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szidon View Post
    At NHK Trophy FS, Asada didn't lose a chance to showcase her strength, easiness and lightness of her skating.
    It was enjoyable to watch.

    But, again, when I saw the protocol of ladies' FS, I was amazed by the fact that there were no underrotation call on Asada's 3F, 3Flutz, 3T and 2Lo.

    1. 3F+2Lo
    I thought Asada's first 3F was O.K. But her 2Lo looked underrotated to me.

    3F_start, 3F_landing
    2Lo_skid, 2Lo_skid_2, 2Lo_takeoff, 2Lo_landing

    2. 3Flutz

    3Lutz_start, 3Lutz_start_2, 3Lutz_landing_1, 3Lutz_landing_2

    It's interesting to see her use the same deep inside edge when she jumps 3F and 3Flutz.

    3. 2A+3T
    Asada's 2A was great, but to me her 3T was underrotated.

    3T_start, 3T_landing_1, 3T_landing_2, 3T_landing_icemark

    The picture titled '3T_landing_icemark' was captured from the different video since it shows a little bit more vivid icemark of Asada's 3T.

    4. 3F+2Lo+2Lo

    Her second 3F seemed underrotated. Maybe she must be tired.

    2nd_3F_start, 2nd_3F_landing

    I think I'm not the only person who found Asada's underrotated jumps except her 3A given the broadcating commentaries and the posts in this forum.

    Hope eyesight tests should be done before the judges are assigned.
    You should have placed this in your original thread, instead of starting a new one. What are you planning to do, start a new thread every time you think Mao has an under-rotated jump?

    If you wish to discuss Mao and under-rotated jumps, then please carry on the discussion in one thread instead of starting new ones that congest the board. If this requires a thread title change, then you can PM one of the administrators with a suggested change (i.e. 'Mao Asada: Under-rotated Jumps?')

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    The second flip and 3 toe were definitely underrotated. It was unfair on part of the panel not to call it especially since it wouldn't have made the difference for Mao in the final standings (assuming they wanted to secure her a spectacular score).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartek View Post
    The second flip and 3 toe were definitely underrotated. It was unfair on part of the panel not to call it especially since it wouldn't have made the difference for Mao in the final standings (assuming they wanted to secure her a spectacular score).
    Individuals with an agenda will see what they want to see. I think the judges got it spot on.

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    Whatever. She was a clear winner there, so overscored or not - the winner is still she, she is delightful to watch. Besides, it's her last season, so I guess the judges will be quite generous to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    You should have placed this in your original thread, instead of starting a new one. What are you planning to do, start a new thread every time you think Mao has an under-rotated jump?

    If you wish to discuss Mao and under-rotated jumps, then please carry on the discussion in one thread instead of starting new ones that congest the board. If this requires a thread title change, then you can PM one of the administrators with a suggested change (i.e. 'Mao Asada: Under-rotated Jumps?')
    You're right. I'll change the thread title.

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    another grudge thread from S Korea?

    Her remaining competitions are GPF at home and the Olympics with the most lenient panel of all. Don't expect anything "favorable".

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