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Thread: Asada's 3F, 3FLutz, 3T & 2Lo: underrotated or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    It's not right, but maybe complain about it when it actually is of significance.

    If it's not right (which you apparently admit), then people should be free to comlain about it. This is a figure skating forum after all.
    Even though I admit ONE thread about this topic would be enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    Individuals with an agenda will see what they want to see. I think the judges got it spot on.
    Says Mao88. I love irony. haha

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    Mao can only hope that Shin Amano isn't the technical caller at the Olympics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David21 View Post
    If it's not right (which you apparently admit), then people should be free to comlain about it. This is a figure skating forum after all.
    Even though I admit ONE thread about this topic would be enough.
    Yes, it's the barrage of bashing that is really uncalled for.

    I mean, it's rather unfortunate that recent threads have been primarily bashing skaters. Get pissed with the judges... the thread should be about calling out URs in general, not just Mao's.

    That being said, even if Mao completely rotated every jump, you can bet people would find something else to criticize her for.

    szidon, who are your favourite skaters? I'm sure we could find examples of them getting favourable calls from the judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I mean, it's rather unfortunate that recent threads have been primarily bashing skaters. Get pissed with the judges... the thread should be about calling out URs in general, not just Mao's.
    No top ladies skaters underotating her jumps like Mao. Who close to her is Wagner but even Wagner rotating her 3F+3T combo better than Mao's jumps. Even If we open a general underrotation thread we will talk about Mao I think. Russians, Gold, Kostner, Suzuki, Kim, Osmond and Marchei's jumping technique looks fine to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    No top ladies skaters underotating her jumps like Mao. Who close to her is Wagner but even Wagner rotating her 3F+3T combo better than Mao's jumps. Even If we open a general underrotation thread we will talk about Mao I think. Russians, Gold, Kostner, Suzuki, Kim, Osmond and Marchei's jumping technique looks fine to me.
    Murakami, Suzuki, Mao, Wagner, the Russians, and Kostner have all had under-rotated jumps in recent memory, and some have benefited (e.g. Kostner in her SP at Worlds last year). There are also examples on the men's side (e.g. Takahashi's quad in his NHK SP) where URs have happened and the judges have given the benefit of the doubt.

    Exactly what is the purpose of the thread then? Pointing out that at a competition in Japan, Mao Asada receives favours from the judges? Shocker!

    I'm saying that the conversation should be directed to encompass all skaters and attack the actual problem which is the judges/tech spec.

    Pointing out that in NHK trophy Mao had a slew of URs that weren't called is a moot point anyways because she might land them perfectly rotated in her next competition. NHK was hers the moment she stepped on the ice; hopefully, in the next competition, the tech specialist is more wary. Bear in mind that, given who she is, it would be very unlikely for the tech specialist to review every single one of her jumping passes with utmost scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Russians, Gold, Kostner, Suzuki, Kim, Osmond and Marchei's jumping technique looks fine to me.
    Personally I feel like Gracie got a favorable call at NHK on her 3L. That was definitely a borderline call that went her way.

    Same thing with Carolina's missed 3T-3T in the SP at worlds last year...that second jump looked < to me but she got credit for the full rotation.

    Sometimes the top skaters get favorable calls. It's not fair but it's not like this is some new development...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    Personally I feel like Gracie got a favorable call at NHK on her 3L. That was definitely a borderline call that went her way.

    Same thing with Carolina's missed 3T-3T in the SP at worlds last year...that second jump looked < to me but she got credit for the full rotation.

    Sometimes the top skaters get favorable calls. It's not fair but it's not like this is some new development...
    Two examples in one year. At the NHK SP and LP, Mao's almost all jumps look underrotated but didn't get <. This is why I said technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Bear in mind that, given who she is, it would be very unlikely for the tech specialist to review every single one of her jumping passes with utmost scrutiny.
    Who technical panel should review then? I think she is the one with all those turning on the ice, early toe pick touches before the full blade and double footed jumps, If they don't review her jumps, I don't know who they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
    Yes, it's the barrage of bashing that is really uncalled for.

    I mean, it's rather unfortunate that recent threads have been primarily bashing skaters. Get pissed with the judges... the thread should be about calling out URs in general, not just Mao's.

    That being said, even if Mao completely rotated every jump, you can bet people would find something else to criticize her for.
    Thank you. I even agree some of Mao's jumps were questionable and unrightly not called, and that her overall FS score was too high (it was in SA too...). It's the exaggerated negativity towards Mao as a skater and person, not the criticizing of her scores or jumps, that gets so tiresome...

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    I dont care what the haters say. No one will make me or Bully me into saying Mao jumps were underotated because I am not a technical caller. I will give this outrage some credibility if this was about all of the skaters who underotate theri jump, but single in out Mao= Hating.

    Please spare me the objectivity meme because fans of other skaters dont go around having to admit the weaknessess of their favorite skater. There have been threads in this board declaring a skater superior by her fans and that thread was up for a long time.

    Also spare me the meme that Mao was overscored because if want to talk about overscorig the judges have been very generous with Many skaters.

    So its ok for people in forum to spread false information about Mao and her federation buying her score but her fans are not allowed to say something nice about her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    Mao can only hope that Shin Amano isn't the technical caller at the Olympics!
    Wasn't Amano the TC at SA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Wasn't Amano the TC at SA?
    According to this. http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpusa2013/
    Amano has been relegated/punished/demoted to ASSISTANT technical specialist (not even a tc), 3rd in ranking on the technical panel. 2nd to Technical Specialist, 3rd to designated Technical caller at Skate America. I wonder why

    Does that mean the designated TC can overturn his and TS's calls? Love to see the call sheet. Also just how and who decide the technical panel for that competition? Was it done by lucky draw, or by invitation by the hosting federation, or assigned by ISU independently? Do hosting nation have approval rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minze2001 View Post
    I dont care what the haters say. No one will make me or Bully me into saying Mao jumps were underotated because I am not a technical caller. I will give this outrage some credibility if this was about all of the skaters who underotate theri jump, but single in out Mao= Hating.

    Please spare me the objectivity meme because fans of other skaters dont go around having to admit the weaknessess of their favorite skater. There have been threads in this board declaring a skater superior by her fans and that thread was up for a long time.

    Also spare me the meme that Mao was overscored because if want to talk about overscorig the judges have been very generous with Many skaters.

    So its ok for people in forum to spread false information about Mao and her federation buying her score but her fans are not allowed to say something nice about her?
    Awww... why play the poor victim mode now? Poor poor you. Who has been bullying you? I don't take that term lightly. Do tell. I want names, evidence. That poster should be banned.

    However if you falsely accuse others and exaggerate just to gain sympathies, then you deserve none. You are hardly doing the said skater any favours when you brand everyone who question the judging as haters.

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    Demoted? I thought tech panels were assigned without pulling any ranks, I.e., one can be a tech specialist at one event, and be a tech assistant at the other without any prejudices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minze2001 View Post
    I dont care what the haters say. No one will make me or Bully me into saying Mao jumps were underotated because I am not a technical caller. I will give this outrage some credibility if this was about all of the skaters who underotate theri jump, but single in out Mao= Hating.

    Please spare me the objectivity meme because fans of other skaters dont go around having to admit the weaknessess of their favorite skater. There have been threads in this board declaring a skater superior by her fans and that thread was up for a long time.

    Also spare me the meme that Mao was overscored because if want to talk about overscorig the judges have been very generous with Many skaters.
    IIRC, that thread was opened by no known Yuna frenzy but just a wondering fan. But it did go on by quite many posters including rather reasonable, sometimes defensive, yuna fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk View Post
    Demoted? I thought tech panels were assigned without pulling any ranks, I.e., one can be a tech specialist at one event, and be a tech assistant at the other without any prejudices.
    Stop trying to make sense! Everything to os168 has to be part of a JSF conspiracy to bribe Asada's way to the OGM!

    Technical Panel

    The Technical Panel is composed of the Technical Controller, the Technical Specialist and the Assistant Technical Specialist, each one from different ISU Members (countries). A Data Operator assists them for recording purposes. An instantaneous slow-motion video replay system operated by a Replay Operator supports the Technical Panel in the identification of the performed elements.
    - The Technical Specialist, assisted by the Assistant Technical Specialist, identifies and calls the performed elements and the specific Levels of Difficulty of certain performed elements (e.g. Spins, Footwork,). He/She identifies illegal or additional elements, identifies falls and adds, if applicable, innovative elements.
    - The Technical Controller authorizes or corrects all calls, supervises the Data Operator and can propose corrections, if necessary.

    In case of disagreement, the majority among the three Officials prevail.
    If Amano disagreed with both, they'd still have overruled him at previous events. If Amano agreed with just one, he'd still have his way. But you know, mere facts aren't going to stop os168. She'll just ignore it when people point out how wrong she is and continue to spew out tripe.

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