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    At first I was wondering about Johnny. He seemed a little uncomfortable but by the last broadcast he seemed to be more himself. Now I’m loving Johnny. Some of the things he said made me laugh like him basically saying Tara was a baby child.

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    I don't see the need for any commentary other than introducing the skater and then maybe making some comments on the playbacks while the scores are being calculated . Nothing should be said while the skater is skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ I think there are two separate questions. First, was it ever Russia's intent to use the "propaganda" laws to harass Olympic athletes. Second, how can we use the Olympic games to call attention to rights abuses in Russia.

    Johnny followed the party line, the line of the IOC, etc., in saying emphatically that the answer to the first question is "no." By saying this over and over, people hope that the second question will be forgotten.
    This. I agree 100 percent. It's astounding that Johnny is one if those people that hopes the second question will be forgotten.

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    Look, I bought my HRC T Shirt. I'll wear it during the Olympics. That's my choice. The T Shirt is cool, by the way. But I agree with Johnny Weir about the Olympics being free of all politics. Let's make noise about it. Let's ban Russian vodka, anything to keep the issue in peoples' thoughts - but leave the Olympians out. They get a pass in my book.

    And when did you ever hear a commentator ask a color analyst on national television, "As as out gay athlete, Johnny, what do you think?" before? I thought that they brought the topic up was great. And I thought Johnny - and Tara - answered it perfectly.

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    They are great! NBC's decision to fire people like Scott Hamilton, Sandra Bezic, and Elfi Schlegal (the horrid gymnastics commentator) has been their best moves in decades. These individuals were dragging their whole network down. I hope Tara, Tanith, and Johnny are the NBC team for figure skating for awhile to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    There was one event where Tara was wondering why Miki didn't do a 3/3 combo, because when she was competing against Michelle, she made sure she had a 3/3 since Michelle "was so good." I don't like when skaters talk about themselves when other skaters are trying to compete.
    In this case the reference also makes no sense, as Miki is not competing against Michelle Kwan so feeling she needed a 3/3 when competing with Michelle would not apply to Miki. Granted Miki without 3/3 combos would never win anything unless Kim and Asada are undertrained and in awful shape (eg- 2011), but I am sure Miki knows this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    They are great! NBC's decision to fire people like Scott Hamilton, Sandra Bezic, and Elfi Schlegal (the horrid gymnastics commentator) has been their best moves in decades. These individuals were dragging their whole network down. I hope Tara, Tanith, and Johnny are the NBC team for figure skating for awhile to come.
    Scott Hamilton remains a part of NBC's Sochi team (per a casual snapshot that Lipinski happened to tweet not long ago from an official meeting of her NBC Sochi colleagues).
    (No snapshot of Bezic -- so impossible to know either way whether she'll continue her role in Sochi.)

    BTW, NBC Olympics recently announced some additional members of its team in Sochi (not specific to figure skating):
    - Nastia Liukin
    - Maria Sharapova
    - Sal Masekela (whose name is new to me -- he does not seem to have been an Olympic athlete)

    They join Apolo Anton Ohno, who was announced over the summer.

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    I'd be happy with Ryan Bradley (handling men's, pairs and possibly ladies) along with Tanith handling ice dance (with Judy Blumberg if possible). Tara and Johnny IMO are very into themselves. I especially do not need all the fabulous info' re: the amazing coaching/training programs in Russia.

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    dI was quite impressed with Johnny and Tanith. They are very knowledgeable about the IJS and do offer information on how the skater is performing in regards to the point system. I have never like Peter's opinions and of course Miss Tara always has to talk about herself. "When I was skating" , "when I won", "when i did that element". Sorry the girl is just so self indulgent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray94611 View Post
    Look, I bought my HRC T Shirt. I'll wear it during the Olympics. That's my choice. The T Shirt is cool, by the way. But I agree with Johnny Weir about the Olympics being free of all politics. Let's make noise about it. Let's ban Russian vodka, anything to keep the issue in peoples' thoughts - but leave the Olympians out. They get a pass in my book.

    And when did you ever hear a commentator ask a color analyst on national television, "As as out gay athlete, Johnny, what do you think?" before? I thought that they brought the topic up was great. And I thought Johnny - and Tara - answered it perfectly.
    I respectfully disagree that the Olympics is free of all politics. Thereto, I will refer you to this article on the 1936 Olympics:

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...r-olympics.htm

    The following excerpt is particularly chilling:

    The U.S. Olympic team turned out to be its biggest ever with 312 athletes including nineteen African Americans and five Jews. The Nazis had given repeated assurances to the International Olympic Committee that black athletes would be treated well in Germany. The Nazis also reluctantly agreed to let foreign Jews participate.

    So, the playbook is the same. Replace Jew with Gay and Germany with Russia, and you have 1936 Olympics Redux.

    Johnny is a brilliant skater, but he is quite naive when it comes to world politics and current events. As an example, he didn't even vote in the last presidential election because he felt it didn't affect him. Never mind that he benefited from the gay marriage legislation that's been promulgated by the Obama administration. Johnny wants the freedom to sashay around in his fur coats with Victor on his arm, but he's unwilling to care about the global gay community, or even the preservation of his own rights. Finally, please don't give him any kudos for coming out; he only did so after the 2010 Olympics and just in time to promote his silly memoir.

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    What Johnny does or hasn't done in his personal life is of no interest to me. I very simply loved his skating and I'm enjoying his commentary. He's made very few references to his own skating and mostly when asked a direct question. He's compassionate with the skaters, no matter what country they're representing, and he's made watching the GPs more interesting than ever. His knowledge of the IJS certainly surpasses Tara's (who never skated under it) I would be happy with Johnny, Ryan and Tanith but somehow don't think I'll get a vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjs5572 View Post
    I respectfully disagree that the Olympics is free of all politics. Thereto, I will refer you to this article on the 1936 Olympics:

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...r-olympics.htm

    The following excerpt is particularly chilling:

    The U.S. Olympic team turned out to be its biggest ever with 312 athletes including nineteen African Americans and five Jews. The Nazis had given repeated assurances to the International Olympic Committee that black athletes would be treated well in Germany. The Nazis also reluctantly agreed to let foreign Jews participate.

    So, the playbook is the same. Replace Jew with Gay and Germany with Russia, and you have 1936 Olympics Redux.

    Johnny is a brilliant skater, but he is quite naive when it comes to world politics and current events. As an example, he didn't even vote in the last presidential election because he felt it didn't affect him. Never mind that he benefited from the gay marriage legislation that's been promulgated by the Obama administration. Johnny wants the freedom to sashay around in his fur coats with Victor on his arm, but he's unwilling to care about the global gay community, or even the preservation of his own rights. Finally, please don't give him any kudos for coming out; he only did so after the 2010 Olympics and just in time to promote his silly memoir.
    Sorry, I wasn't clear. I think he was saying the Olympics SHOULD BE free of politics and I agree with that. I understand that the Olympics are not and that they never have been, but Johnny - and Tara - have a right to want to focus the attention on the athletes and the competition instead of the issues. And don't forget what Jessie Owens did at the 36 Olympics - his success was more effective than any protest could have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjs5572 View Post
    I respectfully disagree that the Olympics is free of all politics.
    I respectfully agree with you, Sjs5572! (But I'm not going to say more. Any more controversial and this thread will get disappeared to the Politics forum. Tee-hee.)

    Ryan Bradley is proving really talented. He has a terrific television voice. His commentary is fairly intelligent. I'd say he is already better than Johnny and Tara.

    I'm sure Peter Carruthers is a nice person. But his talent is not televised commentary on figure skating. He really wants to be good at extemporaneous speaking, but he is not good at it, and he tries too hard. His trying-too-hard is the problem.

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    Love Johnny and Tara as commentators. I won't miss Hamilton/Bezic. I WILL miss Uncle Dick though. I always loved his style.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sjs5572 View Post
    I respectfully disagree that the Olympics is free of all politics. Thereto, I will refer you to this article on the 1936 Olympics:

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...r-olympics.htm

    The following excerpt is particularly chilling:

    The U.S. Olympic team turned out to be its biggest ever with 312 athletes including nineteen African Americans and five Jews. The Nazis had given repeated assurances to the International Olympic Committee that black athletes would be treated well in Germany. The Nazis also reluctantly agreed to let foreign Jews participate.

    So, the playbook is the same. Replace Jew with Gay and Germany with Russia, and you have 1936 Olympics Redux.

    Johnny is a brilliant skater, but he is quite naive when it comes to world politics and current events. As an example, he didn't even vote in the last presidential election because he felt it didn't affect him. Never mind that he benefited from the gay marriage legislation that's been promulgated by the Obama administration. Johnny wants the freedom to sashay around in his fur coats with Victor on his arm, but he's unwilling to care about the global gay community, or even the preservation of his own rights. Finally, please don't give him any kudos for coming out; he only did so after the 2010 Olympics and just in time to promote his silly memoir.
    It's true that politics has interfered with the Olympic spirit. Too many times. To the point of murder (the Israeli athletes who were massacred by Palestinian terrorists, Munich Summer Olympics 1972). Then there are the dumb boycotts. The worst examples being 1980-1984 which only hurt the boycotting countries athletes. And each of those boycotts ended up proving nothing but how shameless and thoughtless the powerful are. I hate when that happens each and every time and I certainly don't want the Sochi Olympics tainted by protests, etc. The athletes worked too damn hard all of their lives for this one brief moment, all of 2 weeks for someone with an agenda to come along and spoil the party. I agree with Johnny. Like I said, the Olympics is just for 2 weeks. And quite frankly I don't think the majority of the world is going to care about anything except the athletes and the competition.

    And I think how Johnny chooses to conduct his life is his own affair. It doesn't affect me personally. I'll always love his skating. I don't have to love or like what he does or doesn't do off the ice - which is true of most celebrities when it comes to their private lives. I don't expect them to be heroes or above human frailty or ignorance. If Johnny won't come out strong against the Russians and their bigotted laws so be it. If Johnny chose to come out to sell a book whatever. Others have done the same if not worst. MacKenzie Phillips did the same when she chose to reveal alleged sexual abuse by her dad - just in time to sell her book. I don't have to respect what such celebrities do but I don't let it affect me either. I look closer to home if I want to look up to someone - like my mom.

    Finally, please don't tell others what they should or shouldn't give Johnny. I DO give him kudos for coming out. He chose to do it his way and make a buck at the same time. Again - it doesn't affect me nor impact my life in any way, shape, or form. More power to him. Whatever. I still love him.

    Quote Originally Posted by meem View Post
    I'd be happy with Ryan Bradley (handling men's, pairs and possibly ladies) along with Tanith handling ice dance (with Judy Blumberg if possible). Tara and Johnny IMO are very into themselves. I especially do not need all the fabulous info' re: the amazing coaching/training programs in Russia.
    Here's where I'm different. I love all of those little extras that Tara and Johnny throw in - like the training programs in Russia. And oh yes, the costumes. I love the costume critiques.

    I don't have a problem when former elite athletes like Tara reference themselves. Tara was trying to make a point and I happen to agree with her. She made sure to have a 3-3 against the likes of Michelle Kwan (a HUGE compliment to Kwan btw). Ando doesn't stand a prayer in this day and age of winning a title or beating any of the top tier skaters without a 3-3 imo.

    And I've always liked Peter Carutthers. I've enjoyed his commentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    What Johnny does or hasn't done in his personal life is of no interest to me. I very simply loved his skating and I'm enjoying his commentary. He's made very few references to his own skating and mostly when asked a direct question. He's compassionate with the skaters, no matter what country they're representing, and he's made watching the GPs more interesting than ever. His knowledge of the IJS certainly surpasses Tara's (who never skated under it) I would be happy with Johnny, Ryan and Tanith but somehow don't think I'll get a vote
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    THIS!

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    I agree with noskates and Sasha's spins. I am glad that Johnny has toned down his over-the-top (but fun) personality to give knowledgable commentary. After all, he has to make a living, since pro skating is just not there in the US.

    Hope he puts together a few shows of his own!

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