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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    He's maybe the most "talented" skater EVER. In practices he is capable of doing absolutely anything, beautifully. Some people just can't compete. I think some of his issues were due to not training seriously enough as a competitive athlete (this is a guy who has said "I'll eat what I want, it doesn't matter"), but I also feel there might be some conflicting internal emotions as well. He's an openly gay black male; there can be a lot of adversity to face there. Trying to honestly present yourself on such a big stage as a competitive athlete, when you are filled with such a degree of "shame" (I'm just talking about the negativity others have placed upon you, not that he himself believes it), can certainly mess you up.
    well put.

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    Jackpot. It took some searching, but I found some Ice Network archive video from that competition: http://web.icenetwork.com/media/play...12259512&_mp=1

    I have no idea if it requires a subscription.

    Bad news is that you can't spool ahead. Jason and Josh are the last two skaters. Also Ashley Wagner's little bro, Austin, is in this competition as well.

    ETA: Just watched the skates. Oh Jason was so cute and sassy with that program! As usual, he really knew how to entertain and engage the crowd.

    But my, Josh Farris! He was super impressive. I love how he did a charlotte spiral into his 2A and he did a biellman spin! And his jumps were quite good. Josh was in a class his own then. Jason was great, but with just the triple toe and salchow, he was far behind Josh technically back then and he didn't have his trademark spins and flexibility yet (in fact, Josh looked to have the edge in flexibility too.).

    A credit to Kori and Rohene for helping Jason become more of a contender as the years went by. Josh is still a step ahead technically, but Jason really has developed the second mark as well as the spins and footwork so they are more equals now then they were back when they were novice skaters.

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    *agonised shriek*

    You need a subscription.

    SCREW YOU ICENETWORK. IT'S FROM 2009 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!


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    In the meantime I am pacifying myself with the photos from the link Mrs P posted earlier. Look how cute and adorable they were! their little faaaaaaaaaaaaces!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    *agonised shriek*

    You need a subscription.

    SCREW YOU ICENETWORK. IT'S FROM 2009 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!


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    In the meantime I am pacifying myself with the photos from the link Mrs P posted earlier. Look how cute and adorable they were! their little faaaaaaaaaaaaces!
    Karne, get this- I HAVE a current subscription to Ice Network and it isn't letting ME play the video! It seems it requires extra payment or some kind of premium subscription!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    Karne, get this- I HAVE a current subscription to Ice Network and it isn't letting ME play the video! It seems it requires extra payment or some kind of premium subscription!
    How ridiculous! I mean, this is a NOVICE competition from 2009 - more than four years ago! What on earth to IceNetwork have to gain by hiding this video away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    How ridiculous! I mean, this is a NOVICE competition from 2009 - more than four years ago! What on earth to IceNetwork have to gain by hiding this video away?
    Right?! It's crazy!

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    can someone pirate the vid and puts in on utube? it would be appreciated.

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    Can someone tell me how? I can access the video...

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    PM inbound, Mrs. P.

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    Here's what I did to see it, since I have an IN subscription- I brought up a second browser session and signed in to icenetwork.
    2009 is still in old IN format.

    Then I came back here and clicked on the link. If you leave the screen tiny, you can click on the progress bar to move the tape ahead.

    It was a Day 1 highlights that also had the Shibs!

    I clicked on More Programs. The novice men's SP & LP were then available, too. The clickable links all say 400K.

    Jason's SP to "Money" was particularly worthwhile , and the change of speed half way down the ice in the footwork really interesting in the LP to "Russian Cinema". In the LP, it was very evident that Jason needed a lot more more technical content to move ahead.

    Josh won-he had a lot more technical content, including a 3lz3t, and skated with a light, lyric quality. However, he seemed quite overpowered by the choice of Mars from Holst's Planets that didn't seem to me to suit his style at all.
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    He's beautiful in motion, and such SS coupled with artistry and character, the whole package! I like Jason a lot but he's still a long way from Rohene Ward! thank you for the videos.

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    Rohene's talent lives on through his proteges. He still has time to become the greatest choreographer of all time! Excelling as a competitor just isn't his thing.

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    Okay, by popular request, the 2009 Novice vids from Baby Jason! And now I know that Quick Time has a screen capture video feature.

    SP (Money by Pink Floyd): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17...onals-sp_sport
    FS (Russian Cinema by Moscow Symphony Orchestra): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17...onals-fs_sport

    And as a bonus, here are the programs by Joshua Farris, who won this competition.

    SP (Leyenda by Isaac Albéniz): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17...ovice-sp_sport
    FS (Mars from The Planets by Holst): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17...onals-fs_sport


    I hadn't watched Jason's FS until I recorded it. Anyway, a very beautiful program that highlights his extension and lines. I thought the tempo change mid-step sequence was interesting too.

    But as I said earlier, Josh's technical content made him the deserved winner even if his programs weren't a perfect fit. (I agree Doris that Holst wasn't quite his style, though his costume was cute).

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    Mrs P, you are a gem. A wonderful person to have in this world! I am going to bask in baby skaters now. Thankyou so much!

    Jason: OMG what a little sassball in that SP! Even hitting the opening with his arms crossed had attitude everywhere! And those legs were so everywhere, haha, so cute! Oh, really sassing it up towards the middle, plays the judges and the crowd so fantastically already! Nothing of him! His little focus face into the triples was so cute! The LP was gorgeous and it was in that program that I could really see the same skater that he is now, the elegant positions and great extensions. But hahahahaha those little bambi legs. And that adorable little voice! Love Kori reminding him to thank everybody to the camera.

    Joshua: Oh wow. The difference. It's huge. Immediately apparent from the offing that Joshua is faster and stronger at this point. LOVE this SP (don't love the arm-flailing). Really confident and aggressive and the way a latin program should be. Maybe 2013 Joshua needs to go back and watch 2009 Joshua? Get some tips? Triple Lutz for the opening combo, so fab, and OMG Charlotte Spiral into lunge into 2A fffffffffffft. And a Beilmann spin! OMG HE TOLD JASON GOOD LUCK AS HE HOPPED OFF THE ICE. haha in the KNC he says "I didn't cut myself!" LP is, agreeing with the others, music way too big at this point but whoa the jumps! Definitely a Junior type program.

    However it's very obvious that apart from the Beilmann spin, at this stage in their careers the jumps are the only thing giving Joshua the edge. His programs were emptier than Jason's and his footwork was not as good.

    I'm also quite intrigued by personality differences. Jason seems like the same Jason, but this Joshua is a lot more confident and out-there than current Joshua. I bet Joshua wishes he could still do a Charlotte spiral and a Beilmann spin. Funny to not really see that many flexibility moves from Jason. We've become so accustomed to a spiral here, a layback spin there, Ina Bauer over here.


    My own meager contribution: found this video on YT.

    2009 Novice Men Award Ceremony - warning, there is a lot of giggling...

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    FYI: I revised the links in my earlier post to my uploads to DailyMotion. YouTube sent me a note stating that Jason's SP might be an issue due to his music, so I'm playing it safe and putting the videos elsewhere (It's still on YouTube, but private for now).

    Anyway, thanks for the medal ceremony link, karne!

    Just re-read a fun interview with Jason and Josh from about a year ago, Jason talks about Rohene here.

    Brown started laughing when Farris talked about looking ridiculous and told a story about working with his choreographer, Rohene Ward.

    "There's a window at our rink," he said, "And all the moms and people sit behind it and watch. Rohene decides to start our short program right in the window. And it starts with a hip roll. All the mothers were dying. Rohene was like, 'Go more full out, more full out!'"

    Ward has been choreographing Brown's programs for years.

    "I love working with him," Brown said with enthusiasm. "He's so talented. He's amazing."

    Ward spends a lot of the year touring in Europe, so we asked how he works with Brown when he's in the States.

    "It depends on the day or what mood he's in," Brown said. "We always do something with choreography, and then we'll work on jumps -- like we'll work on choreography into a jump. We could work on five seconds of a program for an hour, so that's really fun and exciting. It's never boring. There's so much more he's giving you, and you think it can't get better or harder; he's always pushing you. I love working with him."

    We wondered if Brown has any interest in doing choreography, like Farris does.

    "I don't know if I'm good at it," he said. "I love skating to music, I love making up transitions and stuff, but I wouldn't ever trust myself to make up my own program. Sometimes I would choreograph a part and not tell Rohene, and then he would ask 'Who changed this?' and I would say,' I have no idea!'"
    Also OT, but interesting to note:
    Having finished one-two at so many competitions, we asked if the boys had ever imagined finishing in first and second at the senior level at the U.S. championships.

    "That would be a dream come true," Brown said. "That's how I always hoped and dreamed it would be. It would be unbelievable. And then we could go to worlds!"

    "2014 Worlds, we're going," Farris said. "That's our goal."

    "That would be the best," Brown said. "That would be so exciting."
    We'll see if that happens...

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