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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    What Carolina needs to do for make it to the final?
    with tuk out she can place higher
    either Carolina needs to win gold or win a silver with 201+ points

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    with tuk out she can place higher
    either Carolina needs to win gold or win a silver with 201+ points
    As much as I love Kostner, I doubt it will happen.
    Shame too, she has really become a wonderful skater in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TryMeLater View Post
    As much as I love Kostner, I doubt it will happen.
    Shame too, she has really become a wonderful skater in recent years.
    one key skater will be Sotnikova, if she wins silver , Kostner will have to get one those two scenarios at CoR
    if Sotnikova gets bronze then all Carolina needs is a silver medal with 180+ points will be enough to push out Sotnikova

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    If Tuk is hurt and unable to skate to the best of her abilities I think it's smarter for her not to compete at COR honestly. She'd have to win to make the GPF and Adelina and Anna have both already qualified and Julia is likely to join them. A sub-par competition for Tuk could lower her stock heading into RN and I don't think that's something she can really afford with Julia skating so well this season and Anna rising up the ranks. If she doesn't compete, she doesn't have a chance to make (or miss) the GPF and she can go into Russian Nationals with less pressure. Based on scores this season, she doesn't really have a PCS cushion to Julia or even Anna, and given how consistent those two have been thus far, she really needs to focus on Nationals (and likely Euros) and bring her A game there if she hopes to get to the Olympics. GPF could be a distraction, if she doesn't skate well at COR it could be a red flag and Pogo could overtake her in terms of pecking order for the Olympic spots, and if she's hurt then that could throw a wrench in everything.

    The smartest thing would be to withdraw, recover, then focus on training for Nationals and doing well there. If she goes a little under the radar between now and then, she might feel less pressure and skate better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    If Tuk is hurt and unable to skate to the best of her abilities I think it's smarter for her not to compete at COR honestly. She'd have to win to make the GPF and Adelina and Anna have both already qualified and Julia is likely to join them. A sub-par competition for Tuk could lower her stock heading into RN and I don't think that's something she can really afford with Julia skating so well this season and Anna rising up the ranks. If she doesn't compete, she doesn't have a chance to make (or miss) the GPF and she can go into Russian Nationals with less pressure. Based on scores this season, she doesn't really have a PCS cushion to Julia or even Anna, and given how consistent those two have been thus far, she really needs to focus on Nationals (and likely Euros) and bring her A game there if she hopes to get to the Olympics. GPF could be a distraction, if she doesn't skate well at COR it could be a red flag and Pogo could overtake her in terms of pecking order for the Olympic spots, and if she's hurt then that could throw a wrench in everything.

    The smartest thing would be to withdraw, recover, then focus on training for Nationals and doing well there. If she goes a little under the radar between now and then, she might feel less pressure and skate better.
    Very true. At this point I don't see her making the team regardless though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    What Carolina needs to do for make it to the final?
    Only a win will guarantee her place, although she probably does need to win because Elena R would beat her in the tiebreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Very true. At this point I don't see her making the team regardless though.
    Question is with a back injury- that regularly linger around, does this take her out of the running for the Olympic team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    If Carolina doesn't make it to the GPF, then it will have been a quite lackluster Grand Prix Series for the ladies. Only a few months ago we thought the GPF would be the first epic battle among the top three before Sochi.
    I love Carolina but she may no longer be top 3. Barring improvement I am going to say both Julia L and Ashley W may have passed her. Of course the one competition sample size we have from her is not sufficient to make any proclamation but it did look to me like age may be catching up to her through no fault of her own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    I love Carolina but she may no longer be top 3. Barring improvement I am going to say both Julia L and Ashley W may have passed her. Of course the one competition sample size we have from her is not sufficient to make any proclamation but it did look to me like age may be catching up to her through no fault of her own.
    I would say at this point it is more a big 2 than a big 3. It is Kim vs Mao for the gold medal, with Kim probably still having the slight edge, but we have to see how she looks when she returns or how much further Mao can improve. Then all the others looking at that bronze medal. Yes Kostner can improve a lot and hopefully will, but even that will only put her in stronger contention for that bronze medal. Mao has already scored higher than Kostner ever has twice this season, and she isn't even skating cleanly to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I would say at this point it is more a big 2 than a big 3. It is Kim vs Mao for the gold medal, with Kim probably still having the slight edge, but we have to see how she looks when she returns or how much further Mao can improve. Then all the others looking at that bronze medal. Yes Kostner can improve a lot and hopefully will, but even that will only put her in stronger contention for that bronze medal. Mao has already scored higher than Kostner ever has twice this season, and she isn't even skating cleanly to do it.
    Mao is not going to challenge in this state. She hasn't cracked 140 and we can't count on anything as her 3-3 hasn't appeared this season. Not to mention she's actually not landed the 3A with +GOE in her LP since 2011. She has landed one clean 3A in the SP, at 4CC last season. Compare that to Kim who has done her 6 triple LP every time last season. I'll start calling Mao a gold contender if she shows dramatic improvement at the important lead-up competitions (GPF, 4CC). Which has happened before so we at least know it's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Mao is not going to challenge in this state. She hasn't cracked 140 and we can't count on anything as her 3-3 hasn't appeared this season. Not to mention she's actually not landed the 3A with +GOE in her LP since 2011. She has landed one clean 3A in the SP, at 4CC last season. Compare that to Kim who has done her 6 triple LP every time last season. I'll start calling Mao a gold contender if she shows dramatic improvement at the important lead-up competitions (GPF, 4CC). Which has happened before so we at least know it's possible.
    well, but It`s not like Mao was landing 3 axels left and right in 2009-2010 season and she did it in OG and worlds, in fact everyone were in dobut if she even could to do the olympic team

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapis View Post
    well, but It`s not like Mao was landing 3 axels left and right in 2009-2010 season and she did it in OG and worlds, in fact everyone were in dobut if she even could to do the olympic team
    Like I said, she's done it before. Almost every season, now that I think of it. But to call her a lock right now is premature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Like I said, she's done it before. Almost every season, now that I think of it. But to call her a lock right now is premature.
    If that season she was doing so bad and got a olympic silver medal and world gold medal it seems logic to think that at this stage of the season that she is doing better will be better in OG too

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Mao is not going to challenge in this state. She hasn't cracked 140 and we can't count on anything as her 3-3 hasn't appeared this season. Not to mention she's actually not landed the 3A with +GOE in her LP since 2011. She has landed one clean 3A in the SP, at 4CC last season. Compare that to Kim who has done her 6 triple LP every time last season. I'll start calling Mao a gold contender if she shows dramatic improvement at the important lead-up competitions (GPF, 4CC). Which has happened before so we at least know it's possible.
    Even if that were true Mao is a lock for the silver IMO. I don't see anyone challenging her when she is already posting scores beyond what the others are capable or have ever done this soon in the season.

    Just to make it clear, I am picking Kim to win her 2nd Olympic Gold. However right now Mao does have some chance since:

    1. Kim is out, and we don't know for sure if she will be skating perfect and untouchable 150+ LP level when she returns.
    2. Mao can still improve further.

    I do pick Kim to win the Olympics. I do think Mao also has a chance at this moment, even though I think she will ultimately fall short. Either way I am certain those will be the top 2 medal winners in Sochi. I am most definitely not calling Mao a lock for the gold, but I am calling her a near lock for atleast the silver.

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    Despite that I do have a funny feeling Wagner is going to upset Asada for the Grand Prix final title this year, which will be a bit of a kick to Mao and sharpen her further going into the Nationals and Games.

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