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Thread: Can Adelina Sotnikova overcome the pressure? (Part 2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    You mean like Yuzuru being a headcase who has yet to skate a clean FS (the closest being worlds two years ago)?
    And Gracie who has yet to beat "old and worn out" Wagner

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    Wagner is not old and worn out. She is obviously a late bloomer who is still just getting better. I am increasingly thinking she is going to surprise people and stick around for 2018, even if she wins a medal in 2014. She seems like someone who still has a lot left in her. She isn't the most talented skater, but seem super determined to keep finding ways to improve, and while she still has goals to reach I don't see her stopping anytime soon.

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    So very happy for her, getting those triple flips done at this event. Sets herself up well to qualify for the GPFinal, though given its proximity to Russian Nationals - which are all important to earning a spot in Sochi, I truly hope all the travel and competition will not be too tiring for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcd View Post
    So very happy for her, getting those triple flips done at this event. Sets herself up well to qualify for the GPFinal, though given its proximity to Russian Nationals - which are all important to earning a spot in Sochi, I truly hope all the travel and competition will not be too tiring for her.
    They should just make the GPF the Olympic qualifying event for the ladies, since the three contenders will be there. It would be sad if Tuk won Nationals because these three were tired after the GPF and got one of the two spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    You mean like Yuzuru being a headcase who has yet to skate a clean FS (the closest being worlds two years ago)?
    Yuzu with mistakes is still a medal contender unlike Sotnikova whose bombing is like going on the ice and going to self destruct
    a clean Yuzu will score very high almost at par or will level with Chan's score

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    And Gracie who has yet to beat "old and worn out" Wagner
    no problem, we've seen what happens to Wagner at the end of the season
    she'll run out of steam, Gracie Gold is the No.1 US lady sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    no problem, we've seen what happens to Wagner at the end of the season
    she'll run out of steam, Gracie Gold is the No.1 US lady sorry
    Gold hasn't proven squat all as far as being U.S #1. Despite inflated PCS she could only manage 3rd and 4th in her two grand prix events. Wagner has only further solidified herself in that spot so far this season. As for Wagner running out of steam, unlike last year she isn't skating lights out yet. She hasn't had a clean long program yet. That is great for her, as she is saving more in store for later on, unlike last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Yuzu with mistakes is still a medal contender unlike Sotnikova whose bombing is like going on the ice and going to self destruct
    a clean Yuzu will score very high almost at par or will level with Chan's score
    At least Sotnikova has done a clean FS on the senior circuit. Hanyu has yet to do a clean FS ever.

    So when Sotnikova does a whaxel she's "such a headcase" to you, but when Hanyu singles a 4S in TEB or singles his lutz in the SKate Canada SP all of a sudden you change your tune. Sotnikova is apparently a headcase on her triple flip even though she landed all her flips at TEB... but Hanyu isn't a headcase to you by failing on his 4S with a fall and a single at his events. At least be consistent!

    Both have silver medals in their Grand Prix events. Both have benefited from easy fields this year. Both have made errors in their skates but still medaled. They're more alike than you think, or would care to admit.

    Also, you are truly delusional if you think a clean Hanyu (which he hasn't been this season at all) will be on par with a clean Chan. You think Hanyu will get 96.50 points of PCS when his personal best is 85.16 in the FS? Keep dreaming, bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    no problem, we've seen what happens to Wagner at the end of the season
    she'll run out of steam, Gracie Gold is the No.1 US lady sorry
    Ah I see... Gold is clearly deliberately coming 3rd and 4th and missing the GPF, because she wants Ashley to get a false sense of security with her GP medals and her trip to the GPF. It all makes sense! Clearly, the one going to the GP final who has beaten Gold every time thus far isn't the number 1 US lady.

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    Adelina seems to be doing very well-perhaps she is less afraid of bigger venues. She did very well indeed in France

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    At least Sotnikova has done a clean FS on the senior circuit. Hanyu has yet to do a clean FS ever.
    ? Hanyu's FS in 2013 worlds and this year's Finlandia Trophy were clean, no? I think for his 1st senior season he had some clean skates too but that programme did not have as ambitious a layout as his later programmes.

    Back to topic I hope Adelina can hold it together. I think she's the most complete skater among the Russian girls and would hate to see her buried by the newer girls. I was so happy to see her fight for it and her reaction at the end of her FS at TEB, as I often feel she doesn't yet have the mindset of a competitor, unlike Yagudin or Plushenko. I don't think she should be written off as a head case just because of some inconsistencies; consistently clean performances are very rare. Even Yuna, whom I am a huge fan of and who is seen as a model of consistency nowadays made mistakes (so many times I watched her FS with my heart in my mouth!) but she had more than enough to make up for those mistakes so they never cost her a podium finish.

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    Excellent skates but not clean.

    2013 Worlds he URed the 4S, while touching down and stepping out.

    Finlandia 2013 he touched a hand down on his axel and stepped out of his lutz.

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    You are right. My memory is failing me XD

    Sigh. Seems like I always love the brilliant but error prone ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    At least Sotnikova has done a clean FS on the senior circuit. Hanyu has yet to do a clean FS ever.

    So when Sotnikova does a whaxel she's "such a headcase" to you, but when Hanyu singles a 4S in TEB or singles his lutz in the SKate Canada SP all of a sudden you change your tune. Sotnikova is apparently a headcase on her triple flip even though she landed all her flips at TEB... but Hanyu isn't a headcase to you by failing on his 4S with a fall and a single at his events. At least be consistent!

    Both have silver medals in their Grand Prix events. Both have benefited from easy fields this year. Both have made errors in their skates but still medaled. They're more alike than you think, or would care to admit.

    Also, you are truly delusional if you think a clean Hanyu (which he hasn't been this season at all) will be on par with a clean Chan. You think Hanyu will get 96.50 points of PCS when his personal best is 85.16 in the FS? Keep dreaming, bud.
    Hanyu loses what about 5 points for a fallen 4S
    while Sotnikova loses a huge amount from her terrible flip jumping pass combos,
    and no thank you, I don't have cotton buds

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippomoomin View Post
    To be honest, I think Adelina always have very difficult/complicated step sequences and spins that most other top ladies cannot deliver, but those steps are not always matching the music or the esthetics of the skating.
    I think as long as she learned not to rush into her jumps, gets more tactical choreography, softens her movements a little, she can be very consistent in her jumps, and be totally awesome. She just has not shown her true potential at the senior level at all.


    Not really an Adelina fan - in large part because her skating and the aesthetics of skating rarely intersect.

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