Hey, I appreciate you trying to get some sense into skyfly when it comes to Adelina (albeit I think you're wasting your time and would be better off talking to a wall...), but I don't think you're right with everything you say about Yuzuru here... what weak fields did he supposedly have? He had to go head to head with Patrick twice already! If SC and TEB had weak fields, what was CoC supposed to be? SA didn't look that much stronger than SC either. NHK looked good on paper, but look at what Javier did in the end... additionally, Yuzuru's score at TEB is by over 10 points the highest 2nd place score so far and he would have easily won CoC with it and nearly tied Machidas and Chans scores from SA and SC respectivly. If you want to talk about someone benefiting from an easy competition, look at Han and Kovtun with CoC...Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
(But, what I think I have to add: I'm not disagreeing Yuzuru skating bad at SC for his standards. I just don't agree with his supposedly easy fields )
I think Anna bought out the best in her. She did not want to lose to her.
As a big, big Yuzuru fan (and fangirly enough to be all squealy and shaky after seeing him at TEB close enough to pinch his cheeks): what the hell? I hate reading this as a fan of him. Maybe, if he continues to work on his SS and has a program like R&J12 again, someday he will get the same PCS. But not now. I'd say in 100% clean he'd win the TES (as he did in the SP), but not the PCS and not overall.Originally Posted by sky_fly20
By "weak" I mean, not particularly competitive so they were able to nab silver medals. Obviously at Skate Canada, Hanyu had more competition from Oda and almost lost to him, and at TEB Sotnikova had competition from Pogorilaya. I was just pointing out that Hanyu and Sotnikova actually have a lot of similarities to their season with similar successes and problems, however sky_fly seems to think Sotnikova is somehow a headcase when her beloved Hanyu also has his own consistency issues.
I'll reiterate that I love both Hanyu and Sotnikova, and don't think either are headcases. Another similarity is that they're both pushing for very high technical content even though it doesn't pay off (e.g. Sotnikova's 3-3 in the SP and Hanyu's 4S in the LP), but I still give kudos to them for doing that.
Again, Chan and Hanyu both skated as well as they can skate in the TEB short program, and yet, Chan's PCS was 3.5 points higher. That in itself proves that Hanyu can't have the same PCS as Chan.
In the next quadrennial, however, I can picture him eventually clearing 90 points for PCS... if he manages to ever skate a clean long program.
She can do it. But her team needs to maximize her current potential in order to have the best chances. As of this season, her 2A-3T is huge and gets her a lot of points. I am imagining a layout for her like this:
3Loop-2T-2T/2L - whatever makes her comfortable
3Loop (and is she misses the first one she can tack the combo here)
In this way: she does only a flip in the LP and 2 3Loop which is a very stable jump for her. Plus, she can make up if she miss the first 3Loop. Then, if she flutzes, she'll get a negative GOE on the solo jump, not for an entire combination. This is a layout which she can skate to, realistically, and go clean. I bet the scores will be huge. I don't know why her team is so fixed on her current layout which hasn't paid off yet.
Whatever makes her comfortable, but it must be a smart choice.
A 3L is 5.1 while a 3F is 5.3. The difference is almost nonexistent which she can make up with GOE.
Some skaters would rather not play it safe as opposed to playing it smart, and evidently she's one of them. It's like her SP where she could score well on a 3Z-2L combo, but opts to try the much less reliable 3Z-3L.
Hanyu's 4S attempt at TEB:
Base value of a 4S = 10.5 points
Base value of a 1S = 0.4 points -- 10.1 points less
After GOE deduction of 0.23 = 0.17 points
So, Hanyu earned 1.6% of the original base value of the 4S (earned 10.33 less).
Sotnikova's flip attempts at CoC:
Base value of 3F and 3F with bonus = 11.13 points
Base value of 2F<< (fall) and 3F with bonus (fall) = 6.33 points, 4.33 points with fall deduction -- 6.8 points less
After total GOE deduction of 2.40 = 1.93 points
So, Sotnikova earned 17.3% of the original base value of two 3F's (earned 9.2 points less).
Clearly, Hanyu's worst error ever on his 4S is much more costly than Sotnikova's worst errors ever on her triple flip attempts.
Let's not also forget that along with singling the 4S at TEB, Hanyu singled his 3A in the LP, and singled 3Z in his SP at Skate Canada. If it was any skater other than Hanyu, you would have immediately labelled them a headcase.
I wish she would get proper credit for her 3Lz+3Lo. At both Japan Open and CoC I don't feel it deserved the < call, and at TEB I would have just given it a < rather than <<.