Not hating on Michelle (love her!) but a lot of her dresses weren't modest at all. They often had low cut necklines that made you fear for a wardrobe malfunction with whatever cleavage she had plus the bodices weren't lined very well revealing more than what I wanted to see. And do you remember what she wore for her cameo on Ice Princess?
Carolina's LP dress intrigues me, not in a perverted way mind you. I was expecting something kind of out there although I could never imagine she would come up with that. The nude colored panty portion had me baffled, but in HD you can see it's crystallized which kind of makes it appear less nude to me. Actually the draped skirt flaps up a lot less than a traditional skirt would.
Volleyball is a real sport so putting it in quotes is demeaning.
The original Olympians (wayyyyyyyyyy back in time, you know, history) were naked or very nearly so. Guess we're "regressing" in honor of history.
My argument is still the same - this issue of bad costumes is nothing new, so where do we draw the line. MK's dresses are great, sure, but if she's walking around town wearing something with that short of a skirt she'd have "ho" (oh, look, another demeaning ****-shaming term!) length going on. The difference is she is well liked so it's "okay" and any miss is dismissed. In fact all the other women brought up with their "misses" have been dismissed. I just don't get the whole "let's attack these three skaters because of their costumes." So they're tacky/in poor taste. It's not hampering them from getting the job done.
Actually I thought it was lovely on TV, it wasn't until I saw the up close photos that it really looked awful. It'd be interesting to see it live and not under a camera flash.That costume totally detracts from her LP. Just cheap attention getter.
It is easily the ugliest thing she has ever worn.
If I had any idea that she was going to show up in this, I would have taken it all back. I'd rather her wear what she wore to CoC instead.
My main concern with your previous comments was, in fact, more generally the idea that "effeminate" clothing on male skaters is unacceptable. This is a narrow and potentially harmful attitude, and seems to frequently extend not just to clothing, but also to skating style. Skate Canada and USFSA have both actively tried to "butch up" the image of men's figure skating, and I think it's a wrong-headed move. For example, last season Adam Rippon had a choreographer who said he felt Adam's style had been too effeminate and he tried to create a more "masculine" program and style for him. That Mad Men program did not work for Adam at all--the style and the program simply weren't true to him, and it was obvious in his skating. The more lyrical programs of this season suit him a lot better, and it shows in his interpretation. More comfortable with the style of his programs and with the improved technique under Arutunian, Adam is now a contender for Sochi.
Whether a skater is "butch" or "effeminate" should be irrelevant. There should be room for many different kinds of skating styles and costuming, both in men's and women's skating--I personally find the variety to be wonderful. What should matter at the end of the day is the quality of performance--technically as well as artistically--in any given competition.
I 'd also like to point out that femininity and masculinity are not absolute terms, but social constructs that vary from one culture to another--and from one historical era to another even within the same culture.
Also, I'd still like you to answer my question: what do you mean by saying that Rudy was "the real deal"?
And no, it is not a sport if you insist the players wear bikinis. Why not one piece suits, or a choice/ Why not shorts and a midriff top? A sport where they must wear bikinis? And you don't see that for what it is? Please. You are all over the map. Your viewpoint ios inconsistent, and incoherent and oppositional to what I personally say. If I said bikinis must be worn because the men love it more, writhing in the sand, you'd cry sexist. DESENSITIZATION of the young with short historical perspective. You have said you are Christian, don't enjoy the gender bending. Do you think God is pleased with styles?
Modesty is better, and I do not think a sport that forces women to wear the briefest covering is much of a sport. I do not like beauty pageants-they are taking women backwards into being sex objects. Do you know what Miss America must do? Chicken cutlets for those who don't want to implant. Miss Universe can be a man with gender surgery I think I read, maybe I am wrong. They ALL have implants. tHE Donald LIKES IT THAT WAY.
WE HAVE LOST GROUND IN EVERY WAY AS WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY and the world. I don't watch beach volleyball. The girls inside don't wear bathing suits. Is that next? T shirts and shorts are fine, but maybe they just want those male viewers points. 20 years ago there would have been an outcry. The Bachelor was decried in its first season for many reasons. Now it is in 15 season or something- one guy, 25 women all crazy in a house after 1 guy. The breakdowns are just good TV.
I'm done with subject as it is time consuming to repeat myself. Trash is trashy.
He played games, sat in bathtubs with his friends, wore fur everything. He is an exhibitionist, just starting to tone it down to fit in and get commentator work. Look how he went after Evan. jealous much?
He is hardly a role model for anyone. His anthem is I do as I please. That's original.
As for Adam, I find him true to himself, elegant not effeminate. Hanyu's skating is not particularly effeminate. I was referring to his awful, tack, OT blouse. Yuck.
And Rudy came out when no other skater did, even told about his AIDS which could have finished his career. He went through so much. He was disliked for his effeminate balletic style, but he stayed true to himself. He didn't out anyone and if he attacked a more successful skater, I never heard it. He did not make a career out of 'I'm gay and I'm gonna push my agenda.' He simply didn't lie. I have to admire a lot about him...esp that 1996 skate after he lost dad, brother, coach. He is genuine, at least as far as I know. That's my answer and done with topic.
The choreographer said HE thought Adam's style was effeminate. I'm glad you find his skating elegant--so do I.
Kudos to Rudy--but that doesn't mean that gay skaters after him can't be role models as well.
Anyway, I hope we could be less judgmental of the skaters, their styles of skating and clothing, weight, etc. and focus on encouraging all the skaters instead.
I was unaware that what you wore is what made it a sport.
Unfortunately on skating forums (or any sports specific forum... or any anonymous forum of any subject) that just doesn't work.Originally Posted by Matilda
Besides, I don't think difference is a negative thing--variety makes competition so much more interesting! I don't think even the most ardent Michelle Kwan fans would like to see a competition full of Michelle clones
Like it or not, costuming is a part of the packaging of a skater and their program. It's not possible for fans to avert their eyes and ignore the costume! I happen to be of a conservative bent and dislike the Porn Stars on Ice look for anybody but especially for a skater not yet an adult. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. I find questionably cut, provocative, too much bare skin or illusion, and inadequate underskirt coverage with commensurate butt-cheek reveals, to all be in that category. In fact, I find such costumes actually distract me from the skating....which may or may not be what the skater's team intends. Usually the Russians lead the Bad Taste parade, which is why I was quite heartened to see Julia L's FS costume--tasteful, well-cut, appropriate to age and music, elegant, and an enhancement to her skating not a distraction. IMO one of the big winners of the skating fashion season so far. I find her countrywoman Sotnikova's dress to be unspeakable. Kostner, who is well into adulthood and normally has decent taste in costumes and access to some good designers, notched up an Epic Fail with this new beaded-bikini thing. She should save it for next Carnival season in Rio.
YuNa's primarily Canadian team got it perfect, the right music for her, glitzy but costumes she could pull off. perfect length even for her legs and frame. Mao skated so well, given what she had to work with. mao and Japanese ladies have ornate costumes, but most of the top ladies now look really great out there. I am a fan of the minimalist Vera Wang, but can appreciate Mao's current dresses. I think the Japanese ladies are elegant and never trashy looking. In general, many men are a little OT these days, but I don't think Hanyu, to bring it back to the blouse most hate who weighed in, is conveying Romeo and Juliet with his costume. It could be so much better and still be "dressy" to suit his taste. Johnny is a terrible choice for designer. I think judges prefer a more conservative look on men. But when you skate as well as Hanyu can, it probably ceases to matter to judges.
When I think of 1988, the battle of the Brians, with both looking military, I kinda liked that. But I also remember browning showing off curves in Brick House. I can't blame these well toned athletes for showing off their bodies, but see through is very distracting. maybe that is the point as big sis said, and I did earlier.
As for the beach volleyballers, I'm still in shock they are forced to play in bikinis. That surely is asking for embarrassing slips. I imagine that must be the number one Olympic sport for heterosexual men?