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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    That was the year her luggage got lost. Her sister had to bring whatever she could find for Michelle to wear. Her LP dress was reportedly a practice dress.
    And Michelle had some great practice dresses. The one at her first Olympics was one of my favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    Carolina's new LP dress is just way too short, and of bad cut. It is very distracting and you can see her underwear almost all the time. She really needs to make the front longer and move the slits back a bit.
    Carolina's new dress is freakin' godawful. I never like her custumes, but this one takes the cake. The off-color illusion, the blue diaper, and the top defies description. It doesn't fit the way that kind of design needs to fit. I was glad Tara mentioned that it was distracting, because that was exactly what I was thinking. I cannot imagine what they were thinking. It looks bad close-up, it looks bad on the camera. I missed the underwear, but why is she even wearing underwear? Skaters and dancers don't wear underwear for this very reason. Maybe it was the lining of the thing. Yuck, yuck, yuck. I can only hope for her sake it will be gone.

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    Not hating on Michelle (love her!) but a lot of her dresses weren't modest at all. They often had low cut necklines that made you fear for a wardrobe malfunction with whatever cleavage she had plus the bodices weren't lined very well revealing more than what I wanted to see. And do you remember what she wore for her cameo on Ice Princess?

    Carolina's LP dress intrigues me, not in a perverted way mind you. I was expecting something kind of out there although I could never imagine she would come up with that. The nude colored panty portion had me baffled, but in HD you can see it's crystallized which kind of makes it appear less nude to me. Actually the draped skirt flaps up a lot less than a traditional skirt would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Toni mentioned beach volleyball. The women are FORCED to wear Bikinis? They cannot wear a one piece suit? My mom and I always wore classy one piece and got loads of complements tough we could easily do bikinis. We are going backwards for sure in the women's movement if the pros are forced to wear string bikinis. So maybe mostly men are the fans of this "sport." 20 years ago, women's groups would protest that. Desensitization, no one has a sense of modesty. Sad to say most clothes are now short, tight, cheap material. At least where I can go shop. Larger sizes are different, as larger women know they look bad in short , tight, stretchy junk. I hate going shopping now. How man y women get implants now? A lot. Veneers etc. No one can be grey, not acceptable to look old.
    It's required, but they aren't forced - if you don't want to you don't have to become a Kerri Walsh... the idea is it's "beach" volleyball so look like you're at the beach. Interestingly enough the guys are not just in swimming trunks.

    Volleyball is a real sport so putting it in quotes is demeaning.


    The original Olympians (wayyyyyyyyyy back in time, you know, history) were naked or very nearly so. Guess we're "regressing" in honor of history.


    My argument is still the same - this issue of bad costumes is nothing new, so where do we draw the line. MK's dresses are great, sure, but if she's walking around town wearing something with that short of a skirt she'd have "ho" (oh, look, another demeaning ****-shaming term!) length going on. The difference is she is well liked so it's "okay" and any miss is dismissed. In fact all the other women brought up with their "misses" have been dismissed. I just don't get the whole "let's attack these three skaters because of their costumes." So they're tacky/in poor taste. It's not hampering them from getting the job done.

    That costume totally detracts from her LP. Just cheap attention getter.
    Actually I thought it was lovely on TV, it wasn't until I saw the up close photos that it really looked awful. It'd be interesting to see it live and not under a camera flash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyanydots View Post
    Not hating on Michelle (love her!) but a lot of her dresses weren't modest at all. They often had low cut necklines that made you fear for a wardrobe malfunction with whatever cleavage she had plus the bodices weren't lined very well revealing more than what I wanted to see. And do you remember what she wore for her cameo on Ice Princess?
    Bow chicka wow wow, I remember.

    I recall someone put me on ignore because she didn't appreciate my comments about MK's knockers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyanydots View Post
    Carolina's LP dress intrigues me, not in a perverted way mind you. I was expecting something kind of out there although I could never imagine she would come up with that. The nude colored panty portion had me baffled, but in HD you can see it's crystallized which kind of makes it appear less nude to me. Actually the draped skirt flaps up a lot less than a traditional skirt would.
    Look, I'll be blunt.

    It is easily the ugliest thing she has ever worn.

    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...8aPr3Y3DCx.jpg

    If I had any idea that she was going to show up in this, I would have taken it all back. I'd rather her wear what she wore to CoC instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Matilda,I'm not sure I understand your first sentence. Johnny likes to work it both ways, no pun intended. He uses his gender bending to get reality TV shows, then decries the fact Smucker's don't like him. Then he gets his fans to think he does not get the marks because he is "different." He is hardly a victim. He is a very smart, crafty fellow who learned any publicity translates into money.

    Johnny had no reliable quad. What he did in Vancouver was beautiful 6.0 skating. He had no transitions. The fact that better skaters whose coaches know how to play CoP outskated him explain his rank. Maybe he could have been a bit higher. But who would you mark lower? Johnny never really grew as a skater. He did grow as an exhibitionist. And no, I don't have to like some pictures that were so unwholesome I go "yeech." I don't have to like men in heals, or pretend I do. If the judges could not get behind Johnny, it may have been his dated skating. And if they were privately offended or angry at the effect he had on male FS perception, do you blame them?

    He got himself in front of every camera. he did anything for publicity. He did win because he is doing commentary in Sochi and NBC is salivating, hoping he will open is mouth and get arrested. Or kiss his husband. NBC know there could be trouble. Just the way TV bagged nancy after 94 Olympic comments, even in Massachusetts, the way they trashed Tonya every way they could, the way they let us know Pasha ice dancer was a homewrecker. They are shamelessly hoping for controversy now.

    Either that or Johnny has finally found acceptance. But he sure has toned down the outfits since he married a lawyer. Maybe he just grew up and realized that people were tired of him. Whatever it takes to remain relevant means an income stream. If people got bored of skin and the maxi dress was worn everywhere, Madonna would adapt. This is the nature of publicity hounds. I don't know him. Maybe he is a nice guy. But his "victim" stance and way he trashed an actual OGM champion (Evan) was pretty awful. And trying to out him was even worse. If I could meet any skater for a chat, Johnny would not be it. I don't really respect him. Should I?
    Wow, one sentence re. Johnny ignited this rant? I'm not going to engage this further than to say that Johnny's career in skating did not start in Vancouver, nor did the problems that USFSA and some fans had with him not fitting the norms. And his publicity and colorful persona has, whether you like it or not, brought new fans to the sport.

    My main concern with your previous comments was, in fact, more generally the idea that "effeminate" clothing on male skaters is unacceptable. This is a narrow and potentially harmful attitude, and seems to frequently extend not just to clothing, but also to skating style. Skate Canada and USFSA have both actively tried to "butch up" the image of men's figure skating, and I think it's a wrong-headed move. For example, last season Adam Rippon had a choreographer who said he felt Adam's style had been too effeminate and he tried to create a more "masculine" program and style for him. That Mad Men program did not work for Adam at all--the style and the program simply weren't true to him, and it was obvious in his skating. The more lyrical programs of this season suit him a lot better, and it shows in his interpretation. More comfortable with the style of his programs and with the improved technique under Arutunian, Adam is now a contender for Sochi.

    Whether a skater is "butch" or "effeminate" should be irrelevant. There should be room for many different kinds of skating styles and costuming, both in men's and women's skating--I personally find the variety to be wonderful. What should matter at the end of the day is the quality of performance--technically as well as artistically--in any given competition.

    I 'd also like to point out that femininity and masculinity are not absolute terms, but social constructs that vary from one culture to another--and from one historical era to another even within the same culture.

    Also, I'd still like you to answer my question: what do you mean by saying that Rudy was "the real deal"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    It's required, but they aren't forced - if you don't want to you don't have to become a Kerri Walsh... the idea is it's "beach" volleyball so look like you're at the beach. Interestingly enough the guys are not just in swimming trunks.

    Volleyball is a real sport so putting it in quotes is demeaning.


    The original Olympians (wayyyyyyyyyy back in time, you know, history) were naked or very nearly so. Guess we're "regressing" in honor of history.


    My argument is still the same - this issue of bad costumes is nothing new, so where do we draw the line. MK's dresses are great, sure, but if she's walking around town wearing something with that short of a skirt she'd have "ho" (oh, look, another demeaning ****-shaming term!) length going on. The difference is she is well liked so it's "okay" and any miss is dismissed. In fact all the other women brought up with their "misses" have been dismissed. I just don't get the whole "let's attack these three skaters because of their costumes." So they're tacky/in poor taste. It's not hampering them from getting the job done.


    Actually I thought it was lovely on TV, it wasn't until I saw the up close photos that it really looked awful. It'd be interesting to see it live and not under a camera flash.
    OK, Toni, it depends on who posts what. You are just very oppositional to me for some reason. No, it isn't any 3 skaters. I said that. Not true, and you keep harping that. It makes me look like its a vendetta against 3 skaters. who. is number three, BTW? I and others hated hanyus blouse. I and others were offended by Sotnikova's see through negligee with thong showing butt crack. When I saw the front close up I was horrified. ZI have answered any critics thoroughly, and the consensus is yuck to both. Many won't comment as they are afraid to be attacked if they use the world girlish or effeminate. It is what it is.

    And no, it is not a sport if you insist the players wear bikinis. Why not one piece suits, or a choice/ Why not shorts and a midriff top? A sport where they must wear bikinis? And you don't see that for what it is? Please. You are all over the map. Your viewpoint ios inconsistent, and incoherent and oppositional to what I personally say. If I said bikinis must be worn because the men love it more, writhing in the sand, you'd cry sexist. DESENSITIZATION of the young with short historical perspective. You have said you are Christian, don't enjoy the gender bending. Do you think God is pleased with styles?

    Modesty is better, and I do not think a sport that forces women to wear the briefest covering is much of a sport. I do not like beauty pageants-they are taking women backwards into being sex objects. Do you know what Miss America must do? Chicken cutlets for those who don't want to implant. Miss Universe can be a man with gender surgery I think I read, maybe I am wrong. They ALL have implants. tHE Donald LIKES IT THAT WAY.

    WE HAVE LOST GROUND IN EVERY WAY AS WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY and the world. I don't watch beach volleyball. The girls inside don't wear bathing suits. Is that next? T shirts and shorts are fine, but maybe they just want those male viewers points. 20 years ago there would have been an outcry. The Bachelor was decried in its first season for many reasons. Now it is in 15 season or something- one guy, 25 women all crazy in a house after 1 guy. The breakdowns are just good TV.

    I'm done with subject as it is time consuming to repeat myself. Trash is trashy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matilda View Post
    Wow, one sentence re. Johnny ignited this rant? I'm not going to engage this further than to say that Johnny's career in skating did not start in Vancouver, nor did the problems that USFSA and some fans had with him not fitting the norms. And his publicity and colorful persona has, whether you like it or not, brought new fans to the sport.

    My main concern with your previous comments was, in fact, more generally the idea that "effeminate" clothing on male skaters is unacceptable. This is a narrow and potentially harmful attitude, and seems to frequently extend not just to clothing, but also to skating style. Skate Canada and USFSA have both actively tried to "butch up" the image of men's figure skating, and I think it's a wrong-headed move. For example, last season Adam Rippon had a choreographer who said he felt Adam's style had been too effeminate and he tried to create a more "masculine" program and style for him. That Mad Men program did not work for Adam at all--the style and the program simply weren't true to him, and it was obvious in his skating. The more lyrical programs of this season suit him a lot better, and it shows in his interpretation. More comfortable with the style of his programs and with the improved technique under Arutunian, Adam is now a contender for Sochi.

    Whether a skater is "butch" or "effeminate" should be irrelevant. There should be room for many different kinds of skating styles and costuming, both in men's and women's skating--I personally find the variety to be wonderful. What should matter at the end of the day is the quality of performance--technically as well as artistically--in any given competition.

    I 'd also like to point out that femininity and masculinity are not absolute terms, but social constructs that vary from one culture to another--and from one historical era to another even within the same culture.

    Also, I'd still like you to answer my question: what do you mean by saying that Rudy was "the real deal"?
    Re your "rant" since u used such a negative to me term but defend your Johnny. How would anyone know without a national poll whether he BROUGHT fans or LOST FANS????? Where is your data, not opionion? Next, His programs were 6.0 no quad, he stopped winning as time went on. Yet he portrayed the victim thing. Hardly.

    He played games, sat in bathtubs with his friends, wore fur everything. He is an exhibitionist, just starting to tone it down to fit in and get commentator work. Look how he went after Evan. jealous much?

    He is hardly a role model for anyone. His anthem is I do as I please. That's original.

    As for Adam, I find him true to himself, elegant not effeminate. Hanyu's skating is not particularly effeminate. I was referring to his awful, tack, OT blouse. Yuck.

    And Rudy came out when no other skater did, even told about his AIDS which could have finished his career. He went through so much. He was disliked for his effeminate balletic style, but he stayed true to himself. He didn't out anyone and if he attacked a more successful skater, I never heard it. He did not make a career out of 'I'm gay and I'm gonna push my agenda.' He simply didn't lie. I have to admire a lot about him...esp that 1996 skate after he lost dad, brother, coach. He is genuine, at least as far as I know. That's my answer and done with topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Re your "rant" since u used such a negative to me term but defend your Johnny. How would anyone know without a national poll whether he BROUGHT fans or LOST FANS????? Where is your data, not opionion? Next, His programs were 6.0 no quad, he stopped winning as time went on. Yet he portrayed the victim thing. Hardly.

    He played games, sat in bathtubs with his friends, wore fur everything. He is an exhibitionist, just starting to tone it down to fit in and get commentator work. Look how he went after Evan. jealous much?

    He is hardly a role model for anyone. His anthem is I do as I please. That's original.

    As for Adam, I find him true to himself, elegant not effeminate. Hanyu's skating is not particularly effeminate. I was referring to his awful, tack, OT blouse. Yuck.

    And Rudy came out when no other skater did, even told about his AIDS which could have finished his career. He went through so much. He was disliked for his effeminate balletic style, but he stayed true to himself. He didn't out anyone and if he attacked a more successful skater, I never heard it. He did not make a career out of 'I'm gay and I'm gonna push my agenda.' He simply didn't lie. I have to admire a lot about him...esp that 1996 skate after he lost dad, brother, coach. He is genuine, at least as far as I know. That's my answer and done with topic.
    I'm sorry about using the word "rant"--your focus on Johnny just seems disproportionate to me in relation to the topic of this thread. To answer your request for statistics, I obviously have none--but he has a large following on twitter and I've seen many people say they became interested in the sport thanks to him. I doubt, however, that anyone who already was a fan would leave the sport just because they don't like one skater.

    The choreographer said HE thought Adam's style was effeminate. I'm glad you find his skating elegant--so do I.

    Kudos to Rudy--but that doesn't mean that gay skaters after him can't be role models as well.

    Anyway, I hope we could be less judgmental of the skaters, their styles of skating and clothing, weight, etc. and focus on encouraging all the skaters instead.

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    I was unaware that what you wore is what made it a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matilda
    Anyway, I hope we could be less judgmental of the skaters, their styles of skating and clothing, weight, etc. and focus on encouraging all the skaters instead.
    Unfortunately on skating forums (or any sports specific forum... or any anonymous forum of any subject) that just doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    I was unaware that what you wore is what made it a sport.



    Unfortunately on skating forums (or any sports specific forum... or any anonymous forum of any subject) that just doesn't work.
    I know. It's too bad--and the reason why I stayed away from the forums for the longest time. I enjoy many discussions here, but I honestly don't understand aggressive negative critique of a skater's style, appearance, or persona. I spend many hours a week at the rink and see first hand the work and pain that goes into the training, even before the skaters reach junior level. The ones that become national and international medal contenders have worked extremely hard to get there and have sacrificed years and years of normal life to reach that level. We may or may not like the style or persona of all skaters, but I think every single one of them deserves our respect.

    Besides, I don't think difference is a negative thing--variety makes competition so much more interesting! I don't think even the most ardent Michelle Kwan fans would like to see a competition full of Michelle clones

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    Like it or not, costuming is a part of the packaging of a skater and their program. It's not possible for fans to avert their eyes and ignore the costume! I happen to be of a conservative bent and dislike the Porn Stars on Ice look for anybody but especially for a skater not yet an adult. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. I find questionably cut, provocative, too much bare skin or illusion, and inadequate underskirt coverage with commensurate butt-cheek reveals, to all be in that category. In fact, I find such costumes actually distract me from the skating....which may or may not be what the skater's team intends. Usually the Russians lead the Bad Taste parade, which is why I was quite heartened to see Julia L's FS costume--tasteful, well-cut, appropriate to age and music, elegant, and an enhancement to her skating not a distraction. IMO one of the big winners of the skating fashion season so far. I find her countrywoman Sotnikova's dress to be unspeakable. Kostner, who is well into adulthood and normally has decent taste in costumes and access to some good designers, notched up an Epic Fail with this new beaded-bikini thing. She should save it for next Carnival season in Rio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Like it or not, costuming is a part of the packaging of a skater and their program. It's not possible for fans to avert their eyes and ignore the costume! I happen to be of a conservative bent and dislike the Porn Stars on Ice look for anybody but especially for a skater not yet an adult. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. I find questionably cut, provocative, too much bare skin or illusion, and inadequate underskirt coverage with commensurate butt-cheek reveals, to all be in that category. In fact, I find such costumes actually distract me from the skating....which may or may not be what the skater's team intends. Usually the Russians lead the Bad Taste parade, which is why I was quite heartened to see Julia L's FS costume--tasteful, well-cut, appropriate to age and music, elegant, and an enhancement to her skating not a distraction. IMO one of the big winners of the skating fashion season so far. I find her countrywoman Sotnikova's dress to be unspeakable. Kostner, who is well into adulthood and normally has decent taste in costumes and access to some good designers, notched up an Epic Fail with this new beaded-bikini thing. She should save it for next Carnival season in Rio.
    This. exactly. every word, better than my verbosity. The thread was fun, then got serious. We always comment on costumes and the comp threads are full of accurate, even funny. This is in no way talking about work ethic. And the "new Johnny" is much more tolerable. Maybe his TV show was better than the few tub scenes. Since he married a conservative 9relatively speaking) lawyer, he has dialed it way down. I don't know the guy. I am sure he has attracted new viewers, he has also turned off plenty if on reads threads over the years. He is growing up, and I think way more secure. He doesn't have to be "judged" on ice anymoe. He is in the commentator role. He himself is very critical of outfits, note his comments on caro's unfortunate choice. European and Russian taste is all over the map. What is considered stunning to tarasova, I might hate. I did not like the whole package poor Mao got in Vancouver.

    YuNa's primarily Canadian team got it perfect, the right music for her, glitzy but costumes she could pull off. perfect length even for her legs and frame. Mao skated so well, given what she had to work with. mao and Japanese ladies have ornate costumes, but most of the top ladies now look really great out there. I am a fan of the minimalist Vera Wang, but can appreciate Mao's current dresses. I think the Japanese ladies are elegant and never trashy looking. In general, many men are a little OT these days, but I don't think Hanyu, to bring it back to the blouse most hate who weighed in, is conveying Romeo and Juliet with his costume. It could be so much better and still be "dressy" to suit his taste. Johnny is a terrible choice for designer. I think judges prefer a more conservative look on men. But when you skate as well as Hanyu can, it probably ceases to matter to judges.

    When I think of 1988, the battle of the Brians, with both looking military, I kinda liked that. But I also remember browning showing off curves in Brick House. I can't blame these well toned athletes for showing off their bodies, but see through is very distracting. maybe that is the point as big sis said, and I did earlier.

    As for the beach volleyballers, I'm still in shock they are forced to play in bikinis. That surely is asking for embarrassing slips. I imagine that must be the number one Olympic sport for heterosexual men?

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