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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    It is a sport first, and I am all for going back to simpler age appropriate costumes. Peggy and Doro had lovely lines, and the costumes never detracted. Only MK seemed to get that competition costumes should be modest and flattering. Over 3 decades, so many of costumes, starting with ID went down wrong road I think. I realize my perspective is older, less tainted by the era that Madonna and Brittany brought to pop music.

    But we try to tell people it is a fascinating, very difficult sport. Many of the costumes (agree Russia has been biggest offender for years) detract from sport. Artistry matters, but there is nothing nice, appropriate or "sporty" about the negligees. I think Maria B was the first to wear very sheer fabric and thong like undies. Now even sweet little Alissa has done the negligee sex appeal. Do you really think these girls do not know they are trying to turn on the judges?

    I do think many outfits hurt the sport, either through being just horrific taste, -Russian shreds never die, or obscene. Adelina looks like she is copying the top part of a Cher outfit to the Oscars. It is bad enough that few are classy, tasteful, age appropriate, but obscene has been mentioned and I think that is fair. Yelena is a hot mess of an under aged vegas showgirl.

    I wish they'd crack down on costumes. Most would look better in black unitard, regardless of their gender or gender identity. It would be nice to se the pendulum swing the other way. Most costumes don't do much for the music anyway and leave us all wondering what they mean.

    I certainly was one to say if people are arrested in Russia for Gay acts, maybe we should boycott, but the skaters don't like that idea at all. Still, is this being presented as a sport or performance art? Give it some thought what many cultures feel about what they will see.

    Islamic countries likely block skating due to the outfits sadly. Ashley had two tasteful costumes-not on the money but acceptable. Michelle always tried to wear a full panty, not the thong with but hanging out. I also wonder what heaven thinks. I know many do not share that perspective. But modesty matters in many cultures. And one can skate a beautiful program with a classy unoffensive costumes. Less is not more in this case. Kwan's costumes held up in competition as they were usually appropriate. She did do the skin reveal as she got older in COI. There is much pressure on entertainers to show their bodies. Funny how whitney could just stand there and sing in those stunning gowns. Talent needs no over gilding esp. in the sport of FS. Mao does show much taste. Funny Japan's ladies are more tatsteful than the guys, in general, anyway.
    I always thought Nicole Bobek had some of the classiest competition outfits around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinA View Post
    I think they are trying (without success) to make her look older. I kinda wonder if she is her stated age, but that's just me. Anything is hard to tell about what she really looks like, since she's covered with that tarted up nonsense.
    I would think if they were 'doctoring' her age, they would've made her old enough to compete at the Olympics. I think Lipnitskaia looks younger than her age and it would make more sense that her age is doctored since she is age eligible by only a month. But she may look younger than her age, because unlike the other skaters she doesn't seem to put her make-up on by the gallon or liter. Some of the other girls, it seems almost like a little girl running to mommy's make up and puts it on how they 'think' it should look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bebevia View Post
    Hanyu may not ever be able to get a perfect costume; his mother's the designer, who is very proud of her works, and he's happy she's happy.

    During the Bompard competition, Johnny weir was given credit for his lp costume.

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    Bobek was a vision-her costumes were very beautiful. Maybe we need to go back to simple, it needs to attract people as a sport first-costumes should reflect judging.

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    I dunno, I think costumes were already over the top years ago--remember the puffy-sleeved dresses that looked like someone threw up sequins and beads all over them?

    "Going back" to simple would be like going back forty years--opposite of the direction that the sport should be going, IMO.

    With that said, a bit of class in the costuming choices never hurt anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    During the Bompard competition, Johnny weir was given credit for his lp costume.
    Every person seems to want to show they are multi talented. All those actors who become spokeserson, dancer, singer, cook etc. But we can't all be perfect Reanissance people You can't be gifted at everything- so people there are costume designers, their are skaters, there are coaches, psychologists, choreographers etc. EAch has a role in creating a champion. We can't be everything. Johnny shoulds tick to being well Johnny lol

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    Michelle Kwan's costumes were apporpriate but not spectacular. And she was sort of the Susan Lucci of skating - always pickingusually a slip/sheath style dress - it worked but she didnt' reallys tretch her fashion sense on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    I dunno, I think costumes were already over the top years ago--remember the puffy-sleeved dresses that looked like someone threw up sequins and beads all over them?
    Yeah, really. Honestly, a lot of complaints I hear about skating "nowadays" cause me to question how long people's memories are, and this is no exception. There have been overdone, revealing, tacky, and/or just plain unattractive figure skating costumes for decades.

    From 1988: Katarina Witt's SP costume with a barely-there "skirt" consisting entirely of feathers

    From 2001: Emanuel Sandhu's "Heidi on Acid" thing

    From 1994: Oksana Baiul's pink "electrified poodle" look.

    From 1998: Kulik's bright yellow giraffe print thing

    This isn't new, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Every person seems to want to show they are multi talented. All those actors who become spokeserson, dancer, singer, cook etc. But we can't all be perfect Reanissance people You can't be gifted at everything- so people there are costume designers, their are skaters, there are coaches, psychologists, choreographers etc. EAch has a role in creating a champion. We can't be everything. Johnny shoulds tick to being well Johnny lol
    I was responding to the poster who said Hanyu's mother designed his costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    I was responding to the poster who said Hanyu's mother designed his costume.
    Indeed, I remember the fuss over Kulik's shirt. I also remember his response- "The little Russian mother made this shirt and I am going to wear it." Chekov's dialogue wasn't over the top after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    I dunno, I think costumes were already over the top years ago--remember the puffy-sleeved dresses that looked like someone threw up sequins and beads all over them?

    "Going back" to simple would be like going back forty years--opposite of the direction that the sport should be going, IMO.

    With that said, a bit of class in the costuming choices never hurt anybody.
    exactly.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfzb3CTMawY Evgeni Plushenko - all his costumes 1996-2010 (montage)

    When he was young, he had some awful costumes, but after he developed his own style, I like most of them. And he very often wears black.

    I liked Butyrskaya's and Usova's costumes in the past. About the Russian lady's dresses in genaral: the Russian taste is very different from the western's taste in the civil life, too. Most Russian women are very prominent, always involve high heels and always wear makeup. I no wonder because they wear flamboyant costumes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ6Ljge0-14 Sexy high-heeled girls crowd Russia's streets

    In this season I really like Mao's, Lipinitskaya's, Akiko's costumes. And I hate Aaron's costumes, don't fit to his body type. I don't like the Japanese men's dresses, and I never liked Joubert's costumes.

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    Jill Trenary also used illusion fabric to make it look like she was showing skin in a competitive costume - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BrcNI5bVL.jpg - but maybe I'm confused and she is skating this season?

    not sure what year Maria B wore this, but it certainly wasn't in the last 10 years... http://alaskanmagic.smugmug.com/Other/Blog-It/i-SGLMrH7/0/X2/tumblr_m52dxdxlyN1r5ashao1_500-X2.jpg



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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Yuzu looks girlish anyway-the Johnny designed blouse is a frilly mess-does CoP have costume deductions?
    What a horrible thing to say, skateluvr. I am not especially a fan of this costume either, but criticizing Hanyu for failing to adhere to traditional gender norms is low. This attitude is at the foundation of why figure skating is unpopular in many parts of the world. It also shares a root with Russia's laws against so-called gay propaganda.

    I hope I'm not the first respondent in this thread to say this, and I hate repeating points already made. But, to be honest, I was so troubled by it that I felt the need to respond before I could move on to readings others' posts.

    ETA: I am really glad to have seen the posts of phaeljones (#42) and WeakAnkles (#43).

    Having read through the comments now, can I ask this: Moderators of GoldenSkate, can there please be a permanent ban on these types of threads? They seem to invite little other than homophobia ("those men aren't dressing like real men") and ****-shaming ("those girls are not dressing like good girls").

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    I've mentioned it before, but I think overly flashy costumes detract from the elegance of the sport.

    Peggy Fleming is no less an Olympic icon because she won in a simple dress her mother made.

    Likewise, I prefer non-fussy attire for men.

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