Pepe u r asking mods to censor even more. It has been said many a time here Hanyu is very soft looking. He is feminine in face and build. We can have a separate discussion on that. People have said Agnes seemed masculine. No one jumped up. But to attack me or imply I agree with or have influenced Russia's anti gay laws is ridiculous and harmful to me.
It was at first a light thread. naturally, a gay male poster is going to find Hanyu tame, comp. to Fire Island looks, Key West, so on so on. That's in your LGBT culture, clubs, parades etc and what has become acceptable is miles away fro comp. figure skating, or maybe should be. Iy is prickly to discuss but I want to be clear that USA FS iss on life support. IJS needs to make changes. The costumes are fun to laugh at but I am disturbed at the negligees on young girls. The majority were in consensus re this trend for girls getting worse. I like Hanyu-But I think men there are being allowed to go too far.
But answer this, is it an Olympic sport with requirements or performance art. This has nothing to do with being gay. But most will now avoid thread after Toni "didn't get it." Mod wet blanket effect, lol. Just kidding Toni. I'd rather go back to simple dresse sthan have to see someone's butt crack as Tolusai put it,. Obscene and shame on the ISU. I think they have failed their athletes as people. I'm done with the attack .
Perhaps someone will start a serious discussion about why costumes may be detracting at this point.
I know it is not new. Look at Doro in 1976. Then look at costumes in 80's. The decline, changes, abberrations began in that decade.
The cultural icons were Madonna and Michael Jackson. Need I say more? Everyone skated to their music/emulated their looks.
BUT, should FS have allowed such craziness? I think Singles, pairs need reigning in. Ice dance is about acting, portraying a character, or a theme of the classical ballroom. They need more leeway to express. I hope this clarifies-I won't address anyone who thinks I'm like Putin because I thinh THE SPORT needs limits. It is not a burlesque nor a drag type show.
Many felt Johnny pushed way to far while skating. I agree. Apparently IMG, Smuckers Hamilton all agreed. Sport? the direction is reform or retro. Something else? Not sport, then I suppose anything goes.
Why is the sport dead? Identity issue/ Sport? Art? Both? Performance art/glamour pageant?
North Americans are definitely in a diff place re costumes than Russia/Europe. Partly cultural for me, but -what is appropriate comp. skating attire? I think we all know when we see it. So many fashionista shows on tv-very little werable cloythes. Shock value and sexy attire do get people's attention. Smutty culture-TV saturated very sadly.
Well, Madonna sent a message anything goes, wear less, shock, get attention-esp when u have no real talent. Poor Michael said he wanted to look like Diana Ross, his idol-the facial surgeries were extensive, changing his look from normal, handsome masculine to rather gender anonymous. He was ridiculed greatly. There followed 30 years of copycats and few originals. These are artists tho, and the artistic side of FS embraces the now in gala skates. I think the pendulum will swing back to very simple in at least one of the comp. programs. I said before a program of required elements with no costume, simple unitard would be great. No hiding behind choreo for weakness cover, nor costumes that hide line. I even suggested no music. It could replace figures and SP.
The long program would be as it has been, will be the choreo, music costume etc. If ISU doesn't get a strategy soon, there will be no sport in usa. Ithink success is as a sport, and projecting it as tough sport. The girls are out there for now, maybe due to pageant aspect at first
I always hated Maria B's custumes, almost without exception. They had no flow and did not enhance her look when she was moving. I can forgive almost any costume if it enhances the look of the performed program. That said, there is no good use for a unitard. I hate them without exception.
No, I do not think costumes are out of hand. Skating dresses have alway been a mixed bag ranging from truly nausea-producing to sublime.
I think that the way how a costume appears will always be in the eye of the beholder.
There are quite some cultural differences between Europe and North America, but also in Europe living in France is totally different to living in the Ukraine as example. Some countries are more prude than others, its nothing that we or the ISU can change and I think it would be wrong to change it, as it reflect´s the individual thing every culture has.
I always love the costumes of the "ex UDSSR" states, just like I love those of the Spanish or the more calm designs of the Finnish. We need those differences, if everyone would dress in shirt and pants, it would become boring and you would have a hard time finding freedom in how to design your program.
For instance, if you want to be a flame like Julia this year, then it just wouldn't fit if she would wear a smoking or an evening dress just because it fits into the dress code. We have dress codes at some sports, look at Wimbledon for instance where one of the players this year was actually asked to change her top, as it wasn't white enough.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it as while not white, it wasn't colored either
To me there is no "wrong" in the costumes design per se, yes some I like more some I like less - but the basic design isn't bad in a matter of "censorship needed". You can definitely argue about some cuts that were made and I absolutely understand the fear some of you have regarding the "sick minded in this world", but that they turn figure skaters into " the object of perverts" is really a bit too much.
Those boys, girls, men & women deliver a performance and they should wear what they feel enhances their performance.
As a skater myself, I find that costumes should enhance a performance. They should complement the skater, the music, the choreography. But, of course, that is all in the eye of the beholder. Most of the posters here can't skate, let alone have ever competed in figure skating, and that's fine. It's just that I urge many of you on behalf of the skaters to refrain from insulting criticism. The watchful eye of the judges can be glaring enough.