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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Wagner is still a mess. Very lucky to get a medal at the gpf.
    Had they scored Julia correctly, caro would have been in the gpf, and most likely push her out of the medal stand.
    You might also want to blame God for Yuna's injury because that would have pushed terrible Ashley down another spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    You might also want to blame God for Yuna's injury because that would have pushed terrible Ashley down another spot
    Sheesh people, Ashley had a great SP and decent FS at the GPF and people are acting as if she had a total meltdown. As for the jokes about "thanking Adelina for her medal", that was uncalled for, they were basically tied going into the FS and Ashley beat Adelina by 15 points in the FS. Those comments were out of line, I'd get it if she maybe snuck in for a medal by the skin of her teeth or if she had had a FS on par with Adelina's and still managed to medal, but she didn't. Plus it's pretty obvious with the scoring that the judges will give the bronze (or 4th place, etc.) over Julia if she can deliver the technical goods, she has a clear buffer in PCS to Julia and so it all comes down to execution. Ashley has been a solid skater for years and has some stellar achievements she can be real proud of, so people who say she's just not that good and Gracie was robbed at Nats need to just get some perspective. Gracie's been on the senior international stage for a year and a half and hasn't achieved 1/4 of what Ashley has in her career thus far, sure she has loads of talent but it hasn't amounted to that much YET...in the future, maybe it will. But anyways wow I'm getting annoyed at posters and TSL who seem to think Ashley is just like lucky or something and not that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Sheesh people, Ashley had a great SP and decent FS at the GPF and people are acting as if she had a total meltdown. As for the jokes about "thanking Adelina for her medal", that was uncalled for, they were basically tied going into the FS and Ashley beat Adelina by 15 points in the FS. Those comments were out of line, I'd get it if she maybe snuck in for a medal by the skin of her teeth or if she had had a FS on par with Adelina's and still managed to medal, but she didn't. Plus it's pretty obvious with the scoring that the judges will give the bronze (or 4th place, etc.) over Julia if she can deliver the technical goods, she has a clear buffer in PCS to Julia and so it all comes down to execution. Ashley has been a solid skater for years and has some stellar achievements she can be real proud of, so people who say she's just not that good and Gracie was robbed at Nats need to just get some perspective. Gracie's been on the senior international stage for a year and a half and hasn't achieved 1/4 of what Ashley has in her career thus far, sure she has loads of talent but it hasn't amounted to that much YET...in the future, maybe it will. But anyways wow I'm getting annoyed at posters and TSL who seem to think Ashley is just like lucky or something and not that good.
    We don't always agree, but ITA with you on this one. Yeah it wasn't a her best program, but she actually scored better in the FS at GPF this year (119+) than last year (115+), when she had two falls.

    And 119+, FWIW, is still better than any FS Gracie (and the rest of the U.S. ladies) have done this season. And internationally it's still the 14th highest FS score among all the ladies. And as far as the number of ladies who have scored higher than 119, that's even a smaller number: Mao, Julia, Adelina, Akiko, Elena, Anna P, Liza and Carolina.

    That said, she can't turn in that performance if she wants to medal. but at her best, she still on the high end of hte scoring range. As of right now she is No. 3 in ISU Season's Best as far as overall score.

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    I was kidding. I love Ashley but FlattFan is particularly hard on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I was kidding. I love Ashley but FlattFan is particularly hard on her.
    I laughed at your post. But there does seem to be a contingent of of folks who seem to think Ashley is doomed based on this one performance. While that group includes her harshest critics, it also seems to include fans who believe this is some sort of indicator of terrible things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I laughed at your post. But there does seem to be a contingent of of folks who seem to think Ashley is doomed based on this one performance. While that group includes her harshest critics, it also seems to include fans who believe this is some sort of indicator of terrible things.
    I think people want to read to much into the most recent performance rather than a skater's body of work over a period. A lot of people think Mirai's problems are behind her because she changed coaches and had a good performance in her last event. Well, she has skated well in the GP in recent years but done poorly at Nationals. That is where the test will be for her. OTOH Ashley's skates at the GPF would have won Nationals last year so it is still a strong result and she is no doubt in the mix for bronze. She and the other Olympians are aiming to peak in Sochi so it wouldn't surprise me if we see her in much better form there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Ashley, Samantha, and Polina are the ones that DESERVE Sochi - they are the only ladies we can trust to deliver decent performances consistently right now, but I feel that Ashley is the only one out of this group that will definitely get to go.

    Gracie will likely get to go but I don't have faith that she will necessarily deliver there and as for the 3rd spot, I feel like USFS wants to give it to Zawadzki, Gao, or Nagasu although none of them have been that strong or consistent this season. Cesario or Edmunds, maybe even Hicks, could get the 3rd spot but likely only if the three I just mentioned all make a muck of it at Nationals. Cesario was lowballed at Nats last season and my guess is it happens again because they feel like she is not enough of a "star" to be on the Olympics, which is silly because she's a great competitor, always delivers creditable performances, and has no real weakness to her skating. And then Edmunds is a star in the making and is also pretty consistent.
    Did you see Polina at the JGPF? She was a mess in the SP and didn't make the podium. Don't think she's on the "deserve" list either, she's just as inconsistent and I don't see how she's a "star" - there's much lacking in her presentation still.

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    I take offense to the title of this thread. I think any of the mentioned ladies "deserve" a spot on the Olympic Team. They (and their families) have devoted a lot of time (YEARS) and money to get them to this point. So yes - they all deserve a spot but the US only has 3 spots.

    The question should be which ladies have "earned" one a spot?

    Sorry but to me there is a HUGE difference between "deserved" and "earned."

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    Well, Ashley and Gracie are the obvious top 2. And, umm, hmmmm...
    Kiira Korpi's training in the US, can we adopt her and give her the 3rd spot?

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    I thought Kiira returned home with an injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    I thought Kiira returned home with an injury.
    That could be. I believe I read she may have been ready late in the season, but I could be mistaken or that may have changed. Either way, I'm sad she won't be at the games :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Cesario was lowballed at Nats last season and my guess is it happens again because they feel like she is not enough of a "star" to be on the Olympics, which is silly because she's a great competitor, always delivers creditable performances, and has no real weakness to her skating.
    Cesario has plenty of weaknesses in her skating, starting with skating skills and transitions. She has good presence, is fairly consistent, good command of the ice, and excellent programs (though somewhat similarly themed), but she's definitely a more television-friendly skater in that she's pretty to watch but doesn't have exceptional speed and edges. I like her, but I don't see the fact that she is not enough of a "star" as holding her back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaylee View Post
    Cesario has plenty of weaknesses in her skating, starting with skating skills and transitions. She has good presence, is fairly consistent, good command of the ice, and excellent programs (though somewhat similarly themed), but she's definitely a more television-friendly skater in that she's pretty to watch but doesn't have exceptional speed and edges. I like her, but I don't see the fact that she is not enough of a "star" as holding her back.
    Many people who saw her live reported that Sammi has great presence but that she does not have a lot of speed, especially when she about to jump. I look forward to comparing the ladies for myself at nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Did you see Polina at the JGPF? She was a mess in the SP and didn't make the podium. Don't think she's on the "deserve" list either, she's just as inconsistent and I don't see how she's a "star" - there's much lacking in her presentation still.
    Actually Polina is very consistent. She had a balance check on the opening lutz in her SP, so she decided to leave out the combination there, and add it to the loop later in the program. Unfortunately she fell on the loop so the fact that she didn't have a combination really pushed her down in the SP, along with the fact that she had a fall. One skate does not make you inconsistent. And actually, she had the 2nd highest score in the freeskate, just 2 points shy of the leader, but due to the fact that she was so far behind after the SP, she was only able to push up to 4th place. In fact, she was less than 2 points shy of the podium.

    Now I'm not saying that she will be on the Olympic team, because her chances are VERY slim. However, what I am saying is that she is not inconsistent due to one sour SP. Also, no one starts out a "star". You must work your way up. But I think in the future she will be a star. Her presentation is quite good for a youngster. She had the 3rd highest PCS scores in the LP at the Junior Grand Prix Final. Remember, these 6 girls at the JGPF were the top 6 junior ladies of the season, so I think her presentation is quite good for a junior.

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    Slow skaters don't get good PCS scores internationally. Samantha is promising, but she's not quite there yet. I hope she skates well at Nationals and gets sent to the GP again next season. She's currently #33 on ISU World Standings, but if she doesn't make it to Sochi or Worlds, she might get selected for 4CC. A top 5 finish at 4CC could boost her close to the top 24. And she's currently #17 on the Season's Best Total Score list.

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