Ladies SP - 2013 Rostelecom Cup

Mao88 · Nov 22, 2013

LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS (By Starting Order) - Updated

Warm-Up Group 1

1. Nikol GOSVIANI (RUS)
2. Mirai NAGASU (USA)
3. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN)
4. Haruka IMAI (JPN)

Warm-Up Group 2

5. Agnes ZAWADZKI USA
6. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS)
7. Kanako MURAKAMI (JPN) Short Program
8. Julia LIPNITSKAIA (RUS) Short Program
9. Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) Short Program

RESULT

Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols

mateusp1 · Nov 22, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
the order was correct unlike say in Canada where a home skater can have inflated 1st place even with 2 falls

lol

bluesky85 · Nov 22, 2013

Wait... compare the PCS among Julia Agnes Mirai and Liza... 32.61, 28.09, 27.99, 29.53...

Ambivalent · Nov 22, 2013

Shayuki said:
It's a rhetoric question. It doesn't expect an answer.

You'll learn pretty quick that you can't be rude and expect to stay around very long at Goldenskate.

sky_fly20 · Nov 22, 2013

bluesky85 said:
Wait... compare the PCS among Julia Agnes Mirai and Liza... 32.61, 28.09, 27.99, 29.53...

and your problem is ????

Shayuki · Nov 22, 2013

Strange how so many people have issues with 1-2 points of PCS home advantage when Mao Asada got forgiven downgrades and whatnot. The home advantage will happen. This wasn't bad at all, maybe 2 points if something.

Ambivalent · Nov 22, 2013

In my humble opinion, where is the JUMP in that JUMP? I like big jumps with nice revolutions, which is why I appreciated young Yu-Na and Mao. They really lifted into the air.

The Russian babies are good but I would love to see them develop more explosive jumping technique. At the moment it's all about quick revolutions but in my layman's understanding of figure skating, quick revolutions doesn't necessarily make for excellent jumping technique. When I see Yu-Na jump I feel like she just floats in the air and then settles.

mateusp1 · Nov 22, 2013

Ambivalent said:
You'll learn pretty quick that you can't be rude and expect to stay around very long at Goldenskate.

:agree:

bluesky85 · Nov 22, 2013

Ambivalent said:
In my humble opinion, where is the JUMP in that JUMP? I like big jumps with nice revolutions, which is why I appreciated young Yu-Na and Mao. They really lifted into the air.

The Russian babies are good but I would love to see them develop more explosive jumping technique. At the moment it's all about quick revolutions but in my layman's understanding of figure skating, quick revolutions doesn't necessarily make for excellent jumping technique. When I see Yu-Na jump I feel like she just floats in the air and then settles.

I think Russian babies don't have big jumps because they are still young... They might get bigger as they grow taller... we don't know yet until they are more mature... maybe it will take another year or two before we can fully know their quality of jumps.

oleada · Nov 22, 2013

Ambivalent said:
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The Russian babies are good but I would love to see them develop more explosive jumping technique. At the moment it's all about quick revolutions but in my layman's understanding of figure skating, quick revolutions doesn't necessarily make for excellent jumping technique. When I see Yu-Na jump I feel like she just floats in the air and then settles.

Sotnikova & Pogorilaya actually have very big jumps. Were you watching last week? Pogo's 3Lz+3T was enormous, and Adelina's 2A+3T was stunning.

bluesky85 · Nov 22, 2013

Shayuki said:
Strange how so many people have issues with 1-2 points of PCS home advantage when Mao Asada got forgiven downgrades and whatnot. The home advantage will happen. This wasn't bad at all, maybe 2 points if something.

You are right... but that small points can potentially make a difference and that might be why some people are upset, although the placement was fair at this competition. We will see after FS how the scores are...

sk8ingcoach · Nov 22, 2013

The judging in this event sucked.

Russians had way to much home advantage.

Kostner should have had higher GOE on her elements and much higher components. She had higher technical than components which is unusual for her. Shows how low her components were

sky_fly20 · Nov 22, 2013

bluesky85 said:
I think Russian babies don't have big jumps because they are still young... They might get bigger as they grow taller... we don't know yet until they are more mature... maybe it will take another year or two before we can fully know their quality of jumps.

Sotnikova has huge jumps but with bad technique
Pogorilaya has huge jumps her 3Lo and 3Lz-3T gets huge distance like Yuna's

bluesky85 · Nov 22, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
and your problem is ????

I don't think Mirai and Agnes deserve 4 points lower in PCS than Julia... They could have gotten one or two points higher...

sky_fly20 · Nov 22, 2013

sk8ingcoach said:
The judging in this event sucked.

Russians had way to much home advantage.

Kostner should have had higher GOE on her elements and much higher components. She had higher technical than components which is unusual for her. Shows how low her components were

your saying Kostner should have higher in TES too ?
your on crack ?

mateusp1 · Nov 22, 2013

Carolina's step sequence is beautiful.

Moment · Nov 22, 2013

Shayuki said:
Strange how so many people have issues with 1-2 points of PCS home advantage when Mao Asada got forgiven downgrades and whatnot. The home advantage will happen. This wasn't bad at all, maybe 2 points if something.

A lot of people did have problems with Mao given full credit for her URed jumps too

EdgeCall · Nov 22, 2013

Ambivalent said:
You'll learn pretty quick that you can't be rude and expect to stay around very long at Goldenskate.

Are you sure about that? There are a few examples to prove the opposite. :biggrin:

Back to topic: As good as Julia's spins are, but I think giving her +3 GOE seven times on that last spin with lots of travelling was maybe a bit much, apart from the PCS issue.

mateusp1 · Nov 22, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
your saying Kostner should have higher in TES too ?
your on crack ?

I thought Carolina was underscored in her 3Lo, Step Sequence and Layback Spin(I am talking about TES).

I agree with the other elements. The 3t3t was landed, but not perfect and not much flow coming out. The Camel spin was also a bit shakey.

sk8ingcoach · Nov 22, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
your saying Kostner should have higher in TES too ?
your on crack ?

Her GOE on her Loop and double axel were too low. She had a 0 on her loop. She should have received all +2's on that loop. She also had +1 on that step sequence that should have been +3

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