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Thread: Ice Dance SD - 2013 Rostelecom Cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The Lithuanian judge has NEVER been aligned with the Russians.
    That's my point exactly. You assumed the Poles are Russian aligned for some odd reasons, which is very far from the truth. They dislike Russian "influences" as much as the Lithuanians given how Russia has had a tendency to dictate and dominate and some of its former Satellite countries hate it with all their passion. Election of Ms. Gordon-Poltorak of Poland as the head of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee in lieu of Pissev's wife (RUS) was very much a win for North American Ice Dance.

    As recent as the 2009-10 season, when the Ice Dance Chair was a Russian, V/M were getting picked on mid-season for their goose lift with a dedicated ISU Communique denouncing it as being unacceptable without naming them. Everyone within the Ice Dance circle knew the move was political and Scott Moir didn't hide his frustration about that at all by pointing out after 3 major international competitions, including the GPF, nobody said a thing about the lift but all of sudden, the Ice Dance Technical Committee "outlawed" their lift while simultaneously approved Domnina/Shabalin's use of prop in their FD when it was clear the use was to help him lift her, which he otherwise wouldn't be able to due to his injury. V/M were seen as the threat to the Russian 2010 Olympic gold hopeful and therefore, specially targeted through "official channel" like that. At that point, D/W have yet even become World Medalists, so they were spare. All of the above just coincidence...only a 3 year old would believe that.

    Fast forward post-Vancouver, Alexander Gorshkov stepped down due to internal turmoil in Russian politics that sidelined Pissev and which got as far as Putin's office, Russia failed to keep the post of head of Ice Dance Committee after the election. When the new Polish Chairwoman took over, she promptly reversed several of her predecessor's decisions, which effectively spelled the end of Domnina/Shabalin's career as Ice Dancers as he would no longer be able to use a prop to lift Oksana Domnina. The Committe doesn't just reverse itself in less than 12 months like that ever, it goes to show the earlier decision to allow Shabalin to compete with a prop was political favortism, pure and simple. Furthermore, you can see the direction she has taken Ice Dance in the last 4 years has pretty much tilted towards Ice Dance being a sport, more athletic and more in lined with traditional ballroom dancing as opposed to everyone-die-on-ice-at-the-end style. All in all, to suggest Poland is somehow still under Russia's sphere of influence is just...um...laughable.

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    If they can get levels like Skate Canada (better than Virtue/Moir in both programs) its very good. If they can't this is still good, because they can learn from mistakes. Remember the Skate America panel. They did give levels fours like candy too. But the NHK judges were much more strict.

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    great another conspiracy filled thread
    don't worry B/S wont win here, have you seen their programs ? their FD especially is a tragic 80's style with same backward costumes and frantic movements
    it wont matter anyways as I/K are Rus No.1 not B/S

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    That's my point exactly. You assumed the Poles are Russian aligned for some odd reasons, which is very far from the truth. They dislike Russian "influences" as much as the Lithuanians given how Russia has had a tendency to dictate and dominate and some of its former Satellite countries hate it with all their passion. Election of Ms. Gordon-Poltorak of Poland as the head of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee in lieu of Pissev's wife (RUS) was very much a win for North American Ice Dance.

    As recent as the 2009-10 season, when the Ice Dance Chair was a Russian, V/M were getting picked on mid-season for their goose lift with a dedicated ISU Communique denouncing it as being unacceptable without naming them. Everyone within the Ice Dance circle knew the move was political and Scott Moir didn't hide his frustration about that at all by pointing out after 3 major international competitions, including the GPF, nobody said a thing about the lift but all of sudden, the Ice Dance Technical Committee "outlawed" their lift while simultaneously approved Domnina/Shabalin's use of prop in their FD when it was clear the use was to help him lift her, which he otherwise wouldn't be able to due to his injury. V/M were seen as the threat to the Russian 2010 Olympic gold hopeful and therefore, specially targeted through "official channel" like that. At that point, D/W have yet even become World Medalists, so they were spare. All of the above just coincidence...only a 3 year old would believe that.

    Fast forward post-Vancouver, Alexander Gorshkov stepped down due to internal turmoil in Russian politics that sidelined Pissev and which got as far as Putin's office, Russia failed to keep the post of head of Ice Dance Committee after the election. When the new Polish Chairwoman took over, she promptly reversed several of her predecessor's decisions, which effectively spelled the end of Domnina/Shabalin's career as Ice Dancers as he would no longer be able to use a prop to lift Oksana Domnina. The Committe doesn't just reverse itself in less than 12 months like that ever, it goes to show the earlier decision to allow Shabalin to compete with a prop was political favortism, pure and simple. Furthermore, you can see the direction she has taken Ice Dance in the last 4 years has pretty much tilted towards Ice Dance being a sport, more athletic and more in lined with traditional ballroom dancing as opposed to everyone-die-on-ice-at-the-end style. All in all, to suggest Poland is somehow still under Russia's sphere of influence is just...um...laughable.
    D/S werent going to compete again after Vancouver so the banning of the use of costume in lifting was irrelevent to them because they had already retired. It didn't end his career as it was already over. She could've continued with a new partner but chose to start a family and didn't want compete with anyone but Shabalin. Shabalin was only trying to make it to Vancouver. Costume lifts were used in transitional lifts which were also eliminated. Replaced with chli. You don't see li+trans anymore.

    Sure Poland was never a part of USSR but its communist government was imposed by soviet union and it was a satellite but that ended in 1989 and now they're free to be anti Russian in everything! Which is their natural inclination. Its very true that the post Vancouver election of Poland to ice dance chair was totally pro north American and NA taking over.

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    Well we will see how the event goes. If Weaver & Poje win easily there were probably no politiks at play. If Bobrova & Soloviev are a close 2nd or heaven forbid even win, it obvious there were heavy politiks at play.

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    Well, it might significantly depend on how B&S and W&P skate

    If W&P mess up their twizzles (which they do from time to time), and if they get judged on the Finnstep like the CoC tech panel judged it for B&S, they might well be behind B&S after the SD. B&S, if you recall, beat P&B in the SD at CoC, which I&K failed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Well we will see how the event goes. If Weaver & Poje win easily there were probably no politiks at play. If Bobrova & Soloviev are a close 2nd or heaven forbid even win, it obvious there were heavy politiks at play.
    How is this not just as biased as you are making the judges out to be? Obviously Bobrova and Soloviev haven't looked as good as Weaver and Poje to this point, but what if Bobrova and Soloviev skate lights out and hit their levels better than Weaver and Poje on the night? Will they still not deserve it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    D/S werent going to compete again after Vancouver so the banning of the use of costume in lifting was irrelevent to them because they had already retired. It didn't end his career as it was already over. She could've continued with a new partner but chose to start a family and didn't want compete with anyone but Shabalin. Shabalin was only trying to make it to Vancouver. Costume lifts were used in transitional lifts which were also eliminated. Replaced with chli. You don't see li+trans anymore.

    Sure Poland was never a part of USSR but its communist government was imposed by soviet union and it was a satellite but that ended in 1989 and now they're free to be anti Russian in everything! Which is their natural inclination. Its very true that the post Vancouver election of Poland to ice dance chair was totally pro north American and NA taking over.
    And yet for the past four years we've had a much more exciting time in ice dancing than we did the quad before. Hmmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Election of Ms. Gordon-Poltorak of Poland as the head of ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee in lieu of Pissev's wife (RUS) was very much a win for North American Ice Dance.

    The Committe doesn't just reverse itself in less than 12 months like that ever, it goes to show the earlier decision to allow Shabalin to compete with a prop was political favortism, pure and simple. Furthermore, you can see the direction she has taken Ice Dance in the last 4 years has pretty much tilted towards Ice Dance being a sport, more athletic and more in lined with traditional ballroom dancing as opposed to everyone-die-on-ice-at-the-end style. All in all, to suggest Poland is somehow still under Russia's sphere of influence is just...um...laughable.
    Alla S. (Piseev's wife) wasn't on the IDTC during Gorshkov's reign, so it would have been unlikely for her to become Chair. Gordon-Poltorak won but Bob Horen was a close second in the overall vote. However, Piseev still had enough clout to get his wife on the IDTC when Gorshkov "retired."

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    I absolutely love W/P but they are not immune from a bad skate from time to time. Zhulin and his group are also drilling those levels. B/S did not look pretty the last time out but they got decent levels and beat P/B in the S/D at CoC. They've also seen I/K deliver a well received S/D at TEB, so they are hyper motivated, so as they say in anything can happen. Best wishes to all involved. This line up of dancers is pretty interesting. I hope we have a good competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    I absolutely love W/P but they are not immune from a bad skate from time to time. Zhulin and his group are also drilling those levels. B/S did not look pretty the last time out but they got decent levels and beat P/B in the S/D at CoC. They've also seen I/K deliver a well received S/D at TEB, so they are hyper motivated, so as they say in anything can happen. Best wishes to all involved. This line up of dancers is pretty interesting. I hope we have a good competition.
    Agree - also, B/S's SD is really fast across the ice with very close dance holds which may give them an advantage going into the free. And ice is slippery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    And yet for the past four years we've had a much more exciting time in ice dancing than we did the quad before. Hmmmm.....
    Exciting? I don't think so. Exciting for bronze? Or world gold between 2 teams only?

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    OK Here is the judging panel: LTU CAN UZB AZE USA FRA UKR RUS JPN

    Nice geographical distribution, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Exciting? I don't think so. Exciting for bronze? Or world gold between 2 teams only?
    Oh I don't know, the best rivalry I've ever seen in ice dancing, where each competition is so close between the top two teams it usually comes down to who hits their levels, a gargantuan battle for bronze, a big step forward for most teams in terms of technical content. Yeah, I'd say I found that exciting but of course YMMV. I think it beats the old days where you knew pretty much where everyone would finish before the first blade hit the ice.

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    Does anyone have a link for this ?
    please ?

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