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Thread: Who will be 3rd among the ladies in Sochi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    So now we know how she skates under immense pressure on home ice...
    Hope it won't be the case there..Hope she'll learn how to deal with it. She is so young! And without such experience, so that's a good thing to make mistakes at 1 event and learn how to avoid them at another more important one. She is a very hardworking girl and I think it'll pay off..COR was just an experience, very important I should tell..

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    Was it immense pressure? She had a very strong lead and tremendous support. I chalk it up to youth and inexperience. She seems such a strong competitor in general that I would expect her to channel this disappointment into intense training and would look for her to come out guns blazing at GPF and Russian Nationals.

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    There are plenty of competitions before Sochi for Julia to shake off this performance. Hopefully she isn't too exhausted to continue skating well. Between the summer comps, 3 GPs, Nationals, Euros, Olympics, and Worlds that is a very busy season.

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    Julia Lipnitskaia...although she very well could win the gold medal if Yu-na magically head-cases and falls or steps out of a jump or two. Unlikely, but it could happen. Mao...eh, I somehow doubt she can win gold...she has too many issues with her jumps (falling, two-footing, hand down, under-rotations).

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    By what do you mean "headcases"? As in make errors? Because all the top skaters have in that case "headcased" at some point or another (most recently, Kanako and Julia). To use Kim and headcase in the same sentence is weird and even more insulting that when such terminology is used for any skater, given her remarkable consistency (although she's had her problems like 2010 Worlds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    By what do you mean "headcases"? As in make errors? Because all the top skaters have in that case "headcased" at some point or another (most recently, Kanako and Julia). To use Kim and headcase in the same sentence is weird and even more insulting that when such terminology is used for any skater, given her remarkable consistency (although she's had her problems like 2010 Worlds).
    That wasn't headcasing. That was mental exhaustion after an unbelievable Olympic campaign.

    And she came back from something like seventh after the SP (not even in the final group in the Free) to get within hailing distance of the gold medal by winning the FS, ultimately taking silver. So she didn't go home without her loot, even if she was zombied out.

    If that's headcasing, I know plenty of skaters who should get in line for some of that.

    As an aside: why is Yuna held to such different standards? People point to that competition and say that she bombed. Bombed? She scored over 190, one of only two skaters to do so (the other being Mao's winning performance). Given scoring inflation, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were equivalent to a 200 point score today.

    Any other skater gets to that scoring level, whether Mao or Julia or Ashley, and people start losing their minds on forums, and suddenly all manner of predictions are being bandied about that the skater in question is going to podium or even win Olympic gold. With Yuna, on the other hand, the reaction for a similarly scored performance is: yawn, that was crap, ya think she's done...?

    Maybe I'm just antsy and feeling out of sorts because I haven't seen her skate in a while and I need my fix. But I'm hoping that she gets to a good start at Golden Spin two weeks from now, with performances that will force people to snap out of their collective amnesia and remember just who they're dealing with.

    (I know that you were being generally complimentary, CanadianSkaterGuy. I'm just riffing off your post. )

    EDIT: To answer the OP's question, I think Caro, Ashley and Julia are fighting for bronze. It's difficult to say. At the beginning of the season, I thought Caro was a podium favorite. But strangely, everything about her Olympic campaign seems somewhat tentative and passive. This includes her programs, her (lack of) energy, the lack of bravery in her layout (3t-3t? In an Olympic year? Really?), her costumes, even her post-performance demeanor. It's like she's daydreaming, and someone needs to snap open some salts of ammonia under her nose. Caro has never been one of my favorite skaters, but I've always respected her quality, and expected her to step up in what could be her last hurrah. She hasn't, at least not yet, which I find somewhat inexplicable.

    Ashley and Julia are both fighters, and it's possible that this may be the quality necessary to overcome Caro's natural advantages in both athletic and artistic talent.

    I believe the OP has the right idea about one thing, though: IMO, the competition for bronze may be the most closely fought battle for the ladies in Sochi.

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    I would really like to know what headcasing is. Does it mean putting out a subpar performance when you are known for consistency? Putting out consistently poor performances? Putting out great performances and then messing up on an easy element?

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    When was the last time Mao beat YuNa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcd View Post
    Was it immense pressure? She had a very strong lead and tremendous support. I chalk it up to youth and inexperience. She seems such a strong competitor in general that I would expect her to channel this disappointment into intense training and would look for her to come out guns blazing at GPF and Russian Nationals.
    Me too, what I liked about the poor performance from Julia, is that in the kiss and cry after her scores were announced and she won, she was still visibly upset about her performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I would really like to know what headcasing is. Does it mean putting out a subpar performance when you are known for consistency? Putting out consistently poor performances? Putting out great performances and then messing up on an easy element?
    There was some extensive discussion of the topic many months back. Here were some of my views on the topic: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ht=#post751185

    This was one of the money lines:


    -In my experience, in order for someone to be justifiably described as a head case, the athlete must exhibit a chronic pattern of underperformance, that cannot be explained in more mundane ways (e.g. injury, or bereavement, physical change or depletion or exhaustion, etc.), and displayed over a body of performances sufficient in extent to statistically rule out the not-insignificant level of serendipity inherent in competitive figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I would really like to know what headcasing is. Does it mean putting out a subpar performance when you are known for consistency? Putting out consistently poor performances? Putting out great performances and then messing up on an easy element?
    None of the skaters in question meets the definition of "head case" and it is unfortunate they continue to be labelled as such: a mentally unstable person who acts irrationally or foolishly; an eccentric person

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    None of the skaters in question meets the definition of "head case" and it is unfortunate they continue to be labelled as such: a mentally unstable person who acts irrationally or foolishly; an eccentric person
    Ahh, I would say that it is not quite that bad in the context of sports.

    Although Oda Zayaking more than once in a fairly short span would probably fit the "irrational or foolish" criterion.

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    I think it will be a battle for third between Caro and Ashley. If they both skate well
    I believe they are capable to challenge for the third spot on the podium. IMO they have
    the experience and talent over the other contenders.

    Of course this is just my opinion cuz anything is possible at the Olympics.

    As for the Gold Medal it will be either Yuna or Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Unless Julia falls three times she probably has at least the bronze. Actually given that she usually skates cleanly, and given the obvious Russianatic scoring we can now expect in Sochi, she probably has a great shot at the gold. Yu Na Kim will have to skate perfectly to deny her.
    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I don't think people have said Julia is a lock for anything.


    Anyway, assuming Yu-Na and Mao take the Gold and Silver, then I would rank the chances of Bronze among the Ladies as:

    1. Lipnitskaya
    2. Kostner
    3. Wagner
    4. Sotnikova
    5. Gracie Gold
    6. Suzuki

    I don't think anyone else has a chance. The judges clearly won't give Murakami the scores she deserves. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robeye View Post
    -In my experience, in order for someone to be justifiably described as a head case, the athlete must exhibit a chronic pattern of underperformance, that cannot be explained in more mundane ways (e.g. injury, or bereavement, physical change or depletion or exhaustion, etc.), and displayed over a body of performances sufficient in extent to statistically rule out the not-insignificant level of serendipity inherent in competitive figure skating.
    I think they just get nervous.

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