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Thread: Are B/S the Rus No.1 ?

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    Even there is a talk about Julia

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    the others were clearly overscored so why did you all lump them ???

    you may hate Julia but she is clean and consistent, she improved her speed and projection for presentation at CoR
    Tuk got 58 at Euros with a 3lz-2t and a step out 3lo that was with her still lower PCS of 28+, the inflation was ???
    29.53 is a personal best for Tuk (27.82 being her previous PB). She didn't do 3Z-3T and messed up her 3L, and got a personal best for PCS 1.7 points higher.

    I certainly do not hate Julia. In fact the opposite. But while her presentation was slightly improved, it was not improved 4 points higher than previously.

    Although, I don't know why I'm wasting my breath on you because you actually think Julia was UNDERscored and deserved 75 points.
    Do you even realize that for Julia to have gotten 75 points, her PCS would have to have been 2.76 points higher, as in 35.37 PCS.
    Kim's personal best PCS is 33.80, Kostner's is 33.85, and Asada's PB (on Japanese ice, no less) is 34.37

    Think about what you're saying before you actually just spew foolishly random numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    29.53 is a personal best for Tuk (27.82 being her previous PB). She didn't do 3Z-3T and messed up her 3L, and got a personal best for PCS 1.7 points higher.
    because you make it sound like its the first time Tuk had that score
    as I said, at Euros she got 58+ with 3lz-2t and 3lo step out with her lower PCS,

    her PCS even slightly messy was bound to get better PCS especially with her 3rd season

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    because you make it sound like its the first time Tuk had that score
    as I said, at Euros she got 58+ with 3lz-2t and 3lo step out with her lower PCS
    Which Euros are you referring to?! Liza scored 57.18 points in the SP at the only time she's been at Euros (2013), with 27.71 PCS.

    The only times Liza has gotten 58+ points in the SP were 2012 TEB, 2011 TEB/Skate Canada, and at those competitions her PCS wasn't even close to 29.53 points.

    I agree that Liza is capable of getting close to 29.53 points PCS, but certainly not for a performance with 3-2 and a mistake on the 3L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Which Euros are you referring to?! Liza scored 57.18 points in the SP at the only time she's been at Euros (2013), with 27.71 PCS.

    The only times Liza has gotten 58+ points in the SP were 2012 TEB, 2011 TEB/Skate Canada, and at those competitions her PCS wasn't even close to 29.53 points.

    I agree that Liza is capable of getting close to 29.53 points PCS, but certainly not for a performance with 3-2 and a mistake on the 3L.
    Pogorilaya arguably who has lower PCS than Tuk got 28+ in TEB with a waxel
    then I dont see how Tuk cant get above 29+ in PCS

    and this thread is for B/S scandalous CoR marks
    not for any other skaters, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pogorilaya arguably who has lower PCS than Tuk got 28+ in TEB with a waxel
    then I dont see how Tuk cant get above 29+ in PCS

    and this thread is for B/S scandalous CoR marks
    not for any other skaters, so...
    As I said, Tuk can get above 29 PCS but shouldn't be getting it when she has errors.

    Yeah, I was pointing out that B/S is just part of the scandalous marks given out at CoR, including higher-than-normal PCS for Tuk.

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    This event has had some of the most disgraceful judging of the whole quadrennial. We all know V&T will win the pairs gold, but beyond that if this is what the judging is like all other Russian success in Sochi bar the pairs will be seriously tainted, and could threatened the sports future in the Olympics.

    B&S should not be Russian #1. They are a very mediocre and boring team who wins all their medals through politics and poor judging. She is one of the most awful skaters to ever be top 5, let alone a World medalists with his gremlin posture and poor skating skills. However based on the scoring here they probably still are.

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    Number One at what? Beneficiaries of corrupt judging? Absolutely.

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    Julia's score was also a total joke. I like her a lot and am one of her biggest supporters on these boards. She also did deserve to win the SP over Kostner IMO, even though Kostner is the overall better skater when on and was clean, due to the much harder triple-triple combination. However getting a score 3 points higher than Yu Na Kim's SP at Worlds last year, LOL! Also gaining several more points in GOE than a clean Kostner (even if her spins are probably better).

    Based on this event I am not sure if I will even bother to watch the figure skating at the Olympics. It will be a Russian invitational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Julia is consistent and skates clean with better speed and interpretation at CoR , her score were bound to go up
    Kovtun landed 2 quads, Tuk had above her normal SP mess, she got 58 at Euros with 3lz-2t and 3lo step out
    Osmond did what exactly to merit above 60+ at Skate Canad with bad jumps and a fall !!! ?
    Hahah I didn't read the poster's name and then read the last line and I knew who it had to be. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I hope not B/S programs this season do not deserve an Olympic medal, if they were smart they should be pushing for I/K who could even content for silver
    besides the TC here was Piseev's wife totally a different Tech Panel by Olympics and none from the Top 5 countries that placed
    Alla S. (Piseev's wife) was not the Tech Controller (Alpern - ISR was the TC), Alla was the Referee at the Russian GP and she definitely could be a Referee or judge on the Olympic panel. She just can't be on the tech panel in Sochi.

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    I/K seemed to be lost for a few years, but they redeemed themselves in the recent TEB. They were impressive, fast, and had extraordinary lifts. They aced both the SD and FD, and the emptiness of their content as well as lack of conditioning kept dragging them lower and lower down the ranks in previous seasons. Earlier in the season, they seemed to continue the downward spiral pattern, but they made a massive comeback.

    At this point, I/K deserve to the Russian No. 1. The judges highly rewarded them in TEB, while B/S were beat by P/B who were in turn beat by I/K a few weeks later.

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    have to agree that I/K, even with flaws, are much more enjoyable to watch than B/S.

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    I don't think currently there is a clear Russia no.1 and Russia no.2 like last season. We all knew that IF I/K start to get their act together they are the better skaters and this is exactly what is happening. Unfortunately I/K won't make the GPF, which would have given everyone the opportunity to see I/K and B/S against each other under an international panel (and I bet whomever would place in front, would have been Russian champions).
    However, since I/K are the ones to beat a healthy P/B (which, IMO, still are the front runners for the bronze medal), they kind of made a statement with that. I don't think B/S beating a subpar P/B at worlds made the same statement....especially since P/B mopped the floor with them in China. This might be a key factor at Russian Nationals

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    What I think is going to happen: B/S finishing 5th or 6th at GPF, winning RUS nats by less than a point, then off the podium at Euros, when I/K gets 2nd even 1st. Because it's all so intertwined, it's unclear to judges who RUS No.1 really is, neither team gets a medal at Sochi. Wonderful for W/P or C/L....

    Morozov had done his math. Technically, I/K is not going to lose to B/S by much due to huge GOE on their FD lifts. The problem for I/K is that they are younger and their coach is also younger (and not very well liked by judges and officials I could only assume). Jumping lines is not appreciated in ice dance in general. The other contenders for the OBM are all in their late 20s or 30s.

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