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Ice Dance FD - 2013 Rostelecom Cup
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:disapp:Utterly depressing...:scowl:
They changed the music. First one is a lot of better than that. :disapp:
Oh dear!
I just can't. Sorry B/S fans but this team shouldn't be fighting for GP medals, let alone wining them!
In other words I have seen junior teams skate better.
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B/S should place sixth and last at GPF. Any early predictions given the mixed results at Rostelecom?
If they all skate their best, I think standings would look something like this:
B/S - 6
P/B - 5
W/P - 3 or 4
C/L - 3 or 4
V/M - 2
D/W - 1 by over 5 points.
If they all skate their best, I think standings would look something like this:
B/S - 6
P/B - 5
W/P - 3 or 4
C/L - 3 or 4
V/M - 2
D/W - 1 by over 5 points.
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@ B/S getting a personal best FD with a fall! Perfect way to cap off a competition of *stellar* judging.
BS indeed.
I think Bobrova/Soloviev should skip the GPF and nationals. They can work with new program. They still can skate at the Europeans against Pechalat/Bourzat, Capellini/Lanotte and Ilinykh/Katsalapov. Davis/White changed their dance to waltz in 2012. They skated almost perfect in Skate America (first event) They should try at least. I don't want to see that program again. :disapp:
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FREE DANCE - VIDEOS (By Starting Order)
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) Free Dance
2. Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN (UKR)
3. Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN) Free Dance
4. Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS)
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA) Free Dance
6. Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO (RUS)
7. Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN) Free Dance
8. Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) Free Dance
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
Warm-Up Group 1
1. Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) Free Dance
2. Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN (UKR)
3. Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN) Free Dance
4. Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS)
Warm-Up Group 2
5. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA) Free Dance
6. Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO (RUS)
7. Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN) Free Dance
8. Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) Free Dance
RESULT
Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols
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Well, they've got no incentive whatsoever to change it now, since they've just been given a top-notch score for that mess. An example of how this kind of nonsense can be bad even for the people being "gifted" by it. They're not getting honest feedback, so how are they to know what should be changed or cleaned up? It's a shame, because I thought their world bronze this year was well-deserved and they could be much better than this. (And of course, I'm also ticked for W&P, and disappointed in the sport in general).
I've only watched the dance so far, and now I'm not really interested in watching the rest.
Olympics is in the Russia. They can't take a medal (even a team medal) with that frantic free dance. They already lost both P/B and W/P (free dance) Coward or not they should just ditch this program and go for some beautiful waltz or anything other than that. This is looking like their 2012 FD which I hate a lot.
Well, they've got no incentive whatsoever to change it now, since they've just been given a top-notch score for that mess. An example of how this kind of nonsense can be bad even for the people being "gifted" by it. They're not getting honest feedback, so how are they to know what should be changed or cleaned up? It's a shame, because I thought their world bronze this year was well-deserved and they could be much better than this. (And of course, I'm also ticked for W&P, and disappointed in the sport in general).
I've only watched the dance so far, and now I'm not really interested in watching the rest.
You should watch Mirai's performance. It was lovely.
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I can't stop watching G/P & W/P over and over!
I'm really pleased the FD is one of the finest I've seen, including B/S. They cleaned up their hair and costumes and finessed a lot of their FD at CoC. Of course there's home advantage, but par for the course, as the Russians were frequently underscored at other GPs too. It's an evener.
I like their 4Seasons, abstract, modern and unexpected. Ditto for Hitchcock and Tango, all broken from the mold, all breathtaking, new, & fascinating to watch. This is how it should be. C&B did well, but though there're lots of dramatic moments, the FD is the usual fare and forgettable. W/P's Tango is an eye-opener, so true to form, and just jaw-droppingly beautiful, gorgeous, like the way Tango is meant to be.
I'm really pleased the FD is one of the finest I've seen, including B/S. They cleaned up their hair and costumes and finessed a lot of their FD at CoC. Of course there's home advantage, but par for the course, as the Russians were frequently underscored at other GPs too. It's an evener.
I like their 4Seasons, abstract, modern and unexpected. Ditto for Hitchcock and Tango, all broken from the mold, all breathtaking, new, & fascinating to watch. This is how it should be. C&B did well, but though there're lots of dramatic moments, the FD is the usual fare and forgettable. W/P's Tango is an eye-opener, so true to form, and just jaw-droppingly beautiful, gorgeous, like the way Tango is meant to be.
Zhulin can change the music. He can change the costumes. He can change Ekaterina's eyeshadow. But when it's all said and done, it's still the same old pile of dreck.
BTW, for the FD, B/S were the only Russian team who took a hit on a step sequence, and that was because Ekaterina fell (and took longer than 2 seconds to get up).
The only other teams who took hits on step sequences (L1 or L2) and lifts (L3 or lower) were non-Russian teams.
All three Russian teams got L4 on all four of their lifts, L3 on both step sequences, and L4 on twizzle and spin
W/P were the only non-Russian team to get those levels.
C/B L2 step, L3 lift
G/P both steps L2 twizzle 3 lift L3
P/C steps L2 and L1 Lifts L2 and L3
H/D steps L1 and L2
BTW, for the FD, B/S were the only Russian team who took a hit on a step sequence, and that was because Ekaterina fell (and took longer than 2 seconds to get up).
The only other teams who took hits on step sequences (L1 or L2) and lifts (L3 or lower) were non-Russian teams.
All three Russian teams got L4 on all four of their lifts, L3 on both step sequences, and L4 on twizzle and spin
W/P were the only non-Russian team to get those levels.
C/B L2 step, L3 lift
G/P both steps L2 twizzle 3 lift L3
P/C steps L2 and L1 Lifts L2 and L3
H/D steps L1 and L2
Jeff Buttle was also outraged by the judging.
https://mobile.twitter.com/J_Butt/status/404321674839224320
https://mobile.twitter.com/J_Butt/status/404321674839224320
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You should watch Mirai's performance. It was lovely.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Yeah, right on. I know ice dance judging is often a mystery to most fans, but you don't have to be particularly knowledgeable about it to see B&S were sloppy, their program is a significant step backward from last year's, and they clearly were not the best of the night. Predicting the "demise" of figure skating might be a bit melodramatic (it's not like it's going away anytime soon), but the sport is definitely in need of some credibility, and this kind of thing really doesn't help.
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I think the demise he is referring to is when a team is held down in the SD and then wins the FD by 2 points over a team that fell (and the team that fell received a PB). And he was also possibly referring to Julia getting her best PCS (by 2.5 points) for a 3-triple performance with a fall.
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its a shame that the media doesnt get ahold of this and expose this travesty - Jeff Buttles comment is succinct and to the point and, sadly , very true.
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Well... it's obvious that the style of Weaver & Poje is very crowd friendly (personally, it's one of my favs this season) but B&S aren't half as bad as in some comments I've heard today. Zhulin might have thought that this idea for the fd could work considering that it was first used by Domnina & Tikhonov in one of those russian tv shows to great sucess. Maybe he really wanted them to keep doing something diferent. The thing is I don't believe the general audience wants to watch or embrace that sort of artistic approach in competition. I still believe that FD has some potential and that B&S will get better as the season progresses.
