Thank wallylutz for your analysis, You surely have watched his lp more than me by now. There is 4 seconds of airplane arms which I have no idea why that's any wrong for skating and concerning the two foot skating which I have no objection with your comment, how about we tear apart any program of any GP skater who is not Chan or Daisuke? I do not like how Plushenko is singled out now or 4 years ago and I have yet to see a hip thrust on this program, sth people repeat I don't know why, you d think Plush would be working at Moulin rouge..
Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9gyjnsLeIw this is a gala program.. the choreographer was Zhulin
and Camerlengo's program very good angle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIwHnbQbYnY he had broken blade
Now, if you want to compare it to some skaters besides Takahashi or Chan, that's fine with me because there are many other men whose in-between are great other than these two. Here are some examples :
Nobunari Oda : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlWGcpAkFo
Jeremy Abbott : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wRcJnuL0Q
Jason Brown : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_X_F8zJ8k8
Do you feel it's fair if Plushenko gets a higher PCS than any of these 3 above mentioned skaters when their performance level is more or less the same? If we were to believe that Mathman is right, then chances are, Plushenko will beat all 3 of them in terms of PCS by quite a bit, how do you justify that?
Kovtun is simply not experienced enough to go to the Olympics. But I think he should substitute Plushenko for the team event.
Predicting is not justifying. But I will revise my prediction of Plushenko's PCS to 82.80, the same as he got in 2010. (It would have been a tad higher except that three judges read the Joe Inman memo and gave him 6's for transitions.)
We have to remember that it's the marks of the judges that count, not analyses posted on the Internet.
^You cannot substitute for some part, if Kovtun replaces Evgeni in team event that means he will have to skate the individuals too.
Also I gave up on fair marks since Kozuka is not clearly getting the pcs he deserves after so many years in skating. Plushenko's overmarkign can make up for all my frustration on Kozuka not getting the ones he deserves.
Cool!Ididnt want to come out as strong then, maybe breaking down was more suitable. I certainly didnt take anything personally, I really dont care that much for the outcome, I will be really happy to see Plush in Sochi and thats about all, if he is not even there I ll still be in Olympic Games with lots of skaters to cheer for!
I haven't been part of any discussion re: Plushenko for a good 10 months. In any event, many people believe Plushenko has been seriously overmarked in PCS with good reasons for quite some time, I am far from alone. However, I understand why my comments can come across as somewhat sensitive to some people. Keep in mind, my opinion is just that - my $0.02, nothing more. Mathman said it right and I quote :But I m sorry you seem to focus on Plushenko's unfair marks, while a book can be written for all the iffy judgements that have happened during the last 4 years in pcs and in GOE.Originally Posted by Mathman
I think you misunderstood as I have made it very clear my assessment is only pertinent at this point & time, it doesn't mean he cannot improve from this point forward. And the link to other skaters' programs are far from perfect, they just happen to be from the most recent GP events. In any event, PCS in the 70's is not bad. Even Hanyu got PCS in the 70s this season in one competition. I can say that if Plushenko up his performance level, get more speed, skate less cautiously and up his ante, my marks for him will have no where to go but up.Yes Plushenko's program in Volvo cannot be getting same pcs marks of the three programs above but I cannot say anything about the pcs of Plushenko in Sochi because he has not skated the program yet, are the pcs a mark that you carry along from one competition to another and represent your ideal skate? It seems this way, Abott for example deserves great pcs when he skates like Nationals 2010, but in Vancouver he wasnt that great. So how can one say Plushenko wont deserve the marks for a skate that hasnt happened yet? And I suddently dont see him getting 70s, sorry.
To be fair, Kozuka has his issues as well. There is a reason why his PCS is below even that of Jason Brown. Everyone has something to work on, that includes Patrick Chan, it's just some have more work to do than others. Even if we take Chan's record setting TEB performance, I can still pick out several things that I wish to see him work on & improve. The fact is Chan is still getting many 1s for GOE and those 1s can become at least 2. It's just me, I am nitpicky but only because I wish to see the skaters better themselves, nothing more.Also I gave up on fair marks since Kozuka is not clearly getting the pcs he deserves after so many years in skating. Plushenko's overmarkign can make up for all my frustration on Kozuka not getting the ones he deserves.
^ Although...it is hard to see any advantage to the Russian Federation for doing this.
The Doctors revision of his diagnosis of plushenko would lead to plushenko losing his eligibility so whatever kovtun faked would probably have to keep him out of worlds too! It would raise too many questions and it's totally doubtful kovtun and tarasova would be days or hours away from doing the individual event and then be like "time for plushenko!" doubt it.