About Michelle Kwan in 2006, in retrospect I think there was something a bit unsporting about the situation. It was quite obvious that Michelle would not be able to compete. Her last appearance that year, in December, was at a phone-in-the-vote cheesefest at which she could barely walk, much less skate. (She won anyway. )
But the powers that be -- the USFSA, the USOC, network television, corporate sponsors such as Coca-Cola – had so much invested in her that she had to put her face in front of the cameras come hell or high water.
Oh well. No harm, no foul.
^I don't like team event to be before the individuals, otherwise they are many sports with prelim days during Olympic Games, but this is not Q round, it is a final. Yes gymnastics have it too, but there are multiple athletes for the team that might not be competing in individuals finals.
I wonder if it is possible for a skater to peak twice in one week, the athletes that will target for individual medals will have their mind to reserve some strength for the next days, while athletes that don't have much chance otherwise can give everything for the team. Which is the great thing about team event, to give medals to skaters that are not so strong alone but would work in a team. I m afraid if it will affect individual competitions, it is sort of puzzling this concept debutes in Olympic Games.
Finally all sports and athletes have a strategy, that changes even during ongoing competition, with a target to win or present well especially in the Games, in this sport it is more obvious since the federations have more power than athletes themselves
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If the rules are stupid and inhuman, there is nothing wrong with abusing them. People who decided to place the team event before the individual, and then demand the same person to do everything, know nothing about skating and what skaters have to go through when performing. The LP is something different than a few seconds mechanical gymnastic routine.
^ Suck it up, skaters. A beach volleyball match takes 1 to 2 hours. At the 2012 Games Misty May and Kerry Walsh played matches on July 28, July 30, August 1, August 3, August 5, August 7, and August 9. Michael Phelps…well, never mind.
A skater can go 2:50 on Thursday and 4:30 on Saturday, and then do it again a week later. Dig deep.
a 75% Plushy should still compete in Team then if he really cant take the toll then Kovtun can sub him.
I think this is also the scenario that the Rus Fed is picturing
Wow, where to begin? I'll respond one more time, starting with the Olympic oath:
“In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams.”
Where I come from, planning an injury and withdrawal would show disrespect for the rules, would violate the spirit of sportsmanship, and would bring dishonor to the team.
BTW, I should have noted from the beginning that I am not a Plushenko hater. Like LRK, I hope that Plushenko himself is perfectly willing to skate four programs in Sochi. In fact, IIRC, he has said that he is game to do so.
But if the Russian federation and Plushenko decide that they are immune from the rules, then it would only be fair to allow other feds and skaters to disregard them.
So let' see ... China (like Russia) earned only one slot for the men's discipline, so why not allow China also to enter different men in the team and individual competitions? Would the same tactic of planning for a man to be injured be acceptable if China were the perpetrator?
If Joannie Rochette decides that she wants to skate for Canada only in the team competition, why not allow her to do so?
If Japan would like four of her men to skate in the individual competition -- and if the U.S. would like three -- why not allow them to do so?
If Plushenko were to skate in the team competition, and Kovtun in the individual competition, then Plushenko would have a very good chance at a team medal without the responsibility of the individual competition. Plushenko would have the privilege and glory of representing Russia in the home Olympics without the perception of "bigfooting" young Kovtun and depriving him of the same privilege and glory. Medal or no medal, Kovtun would gain valuable Olympic experience and exposure that would be beneficial in his future career. Etc., etc.
I really hope that Plushenko will not stoop to the level of flouting the rules. He is a champion, and fair play should mean something to him -- even if it means nothing to you.
And Michael Phelps is a terrific example of competing in numerous heats -- and in both individual and relay events. And he has done so at three different Olympics.
I couldn't find it on the ISU site or by Google, but I have a copy -- it's Annex A to a document called "Qualification system for XX!! Olympic Winter Games, Sochi 2014. It is not quite as clear as it might be, but I am quite sure that the language allows a National Federation with only one slot to have an alternate on standby. If the main guy has to withdraw because of injury the alternate can skate. I think this could occur between the short program and the long program of the team event and also between the team event and the individual events. (There are some rules about informing the officials in a timely way, etc.)Originally Posted by golden411
The injured skater must submit doctors reports outlining the history of the injury, recommendations for treatment, etc.
As far as i can tell, it would not be a technical violation of the rules for Plushenko to go as long and as hard as he can, and then give way to Kovtun, citing injury. Any other country in the same position would also have that option, if they were so unfortunate to have their number one suffer an injury in the middle of the Games. (If a country has more than one spot, the injured skater must be replaced by one of the other qualified skaters -- unless the other guy is injured, too.)
This does not address the question of sportsmanship. But anyway, this is us talking, not Plushenko. I think he will do everything he can. Here's what I hope happens. Plushenko skates in the team event and wins a medal. Then the Russian Federation says, OK, you remember the deal -- now you are supposed to withdraw with an injury, wink, wink. Plushenko says, up your nose, Piseev, bring on the individuals!
Playing volleyball on a beach for 2 hours everyday?! That's what I do in the summer. And I swim too. Everyday. Maybe not as fast as Michael Phelps…
Of course it's not a big deal for skaters like Patrick Chan. He is an automaton, it doesn't matter what and when he skates. I bet he would be happy to skate his POTO for his entire career.
But the real masterful performances are not repeatable. Can you imagine Yagudin doing his Olympic LP over again a couple of days later? Or Hanyu repeating his 2012R&J performance?
The real artists prepare themselves to give that one unforgettable performance, where every emotion, every little nuance matters. They bare they souls out there and leave everything they got on the ice. You can't repeat that a couple of days later, you just can't.
I do have a copy of "Qualification System for XXII Olympic Winter Games, Sochi 2014." It is a 12-page PDF, and I have looked through it many times over the past months. The title of Annex A (which begins on page 5) is "Olympic Figure Skating Team Event." But I see nothing in the Annex or in the entire document that addresses the subject of injury.
On the version that I have Annex A starts on page four. The specific part about replacement skaters is in bold, so I assume that this is a revision to an earlier version. Here is the section in full. It is somewhat opaque and does not specifically mention a skater withdrawing after the team event and before the individual contests. But the spirit of the whole section pretty clearly allows that possibility, IMO.
3.3 Withdrawals & Alternate Skaters/Couples procedure
Nominated Skaters/Couples unable to compete due to injury/illness or other accepted serious reasons in any segment of the Figure Skating Team Event, the concerned NOC/ISU Member may replace the concerned Skater/Couple by a named Alternate Skater/Couple.
For NOCs/ISU Members having 2 or 3 Skaters/Couples competing in an individual OWG competition/discipline, the concerned NOC/ISU Member must replace the injured Skater/Couple by another Alternate Skater/Couple present and accredited on site of the OWG unless such Alternate Skater/Couple is also confirmed to be unable to compete.
For NOCs/ISU Member who have no available Alternate Skaters/Couples on site and accredited at the OWG, Stand-by Skaters/Couples to travel to the site of the OWG are accepted as per the IOC guidelines and time-lines.
If an entered Skater or Couple is unable to compete, he/she/they must immediately inform the Organizing Committee and the ISU Secretariat (respectively during the OWG the ISU Technical Delegates) in writing through the respective NOC/ISU Member. The concerned Qualified NOC/ISU Member must ensure that the Alternate Skater/Couple nominated shall be allowed to attend.
The Stand-by Skaters/Couples who are not on site and not accredited at the OWG must remain on stand-by until the deadlines defined under paragraph 3.2.1 above. These Stand-by Skaters/Couples are responsible to keep readily available their own necessary Olympic accreditation and possibly the travel documents.
Withdrawals permitted for illness or injury must be duly confirmed by a timely Medical Certificate as outlined below and subject to review by an ISU appointed Medical Doctor and/or for other justified serious reasons accepted by the IOC/ISU.
In the case an entered Skater/Couple is withdrawn for injury or illness a Medical Certificate is required to be submitted to the ISU. The Certificate must be issued on the official withdrawal form and duly signed by the Medical Doctor. If the certificate is not in English a translation signed by an Official of the NOC of the respective Skater must be attached.
In addition, upon request of the ISU the Certificate must be received by the ISU within 72 hours after the notice of withdrawal and the following information must be included or attached:
i) the history which clearly indicates the date of injury or date of onset of illness, the type of injury or illness and severity of injury or illness as well as the physical findings on examination;
ii) copies of laboratory or radiological reports that were conducted in the investigation of the injury/illness;
Original version: English ISU/FS/December 2011/ page 8/11
iii) the recommended treatment by the physician including medications, therapy, advice on training frequency and intensity, date for follow-up examination ( a copy of this assessment should then be forwarded to the ISU), expected date of return to full activity, planned further investigations and/or criteria for return to full activity.
A very simplistic post. I've never been a Plushy fan. Didn't want to see him back in 2010. Don't want to see him back in 2014. So it's Kovtun for me.
But, of course, the Russian Federation will send him if he is "healthy."