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    Forget sochi people, Dai has to make it out of Japanese Nationals and that is a month a way isn't it????

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    Aw, I feel horrible for Dai. Great comeback at NHK to make the GPF, and then having to withdraw. :( Hopefully he'll be up to speed by Japanese nationals.

    I am however really happy for Nobu. I felt he was a bit robbed of a GPF spot at Skate Canada and even at his own NHK SP. I think he has a shot at medaling at the GPF and Daisuke might have done him a favour in his bid to be the #3 Japanese man if he can outperform Machida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I hope is not a big injury and he just needs more time, it would have been great to skate in home crowd, but at least he can rest and rebuilt for Sochi! I m happy Oda goes too!
    It's not a big injury. Even media reports say "needs two weeks of rest and cure." Meaning that he can resume training in two weeks. Maybe Takahashi could have better preparation in this way rather than consuming mental and physical strength in very intensive battles of GPF.

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    I was kind of 'expecting' something like this to happen. For Daisuke, I think it's smart. At this stage in his career, Japanese Nationals and making the team means an immeasurable amount more than any placement at the Grand Prix Final.

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    Mmmm sad to hear, but its unfortunate timing. will he have enough time to recover in time for National?? What if he can't compete in National, will the federation still sent him to Sochi????

    On the lighter note, i'm curious to see which 2 of the trio will be on GPF podium. Oda, Michida or Hanyu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcd View Post
    I was kind of 'expecting' something like this to happen. For Daisuke, I think it's smart. At this stage in his career, Japanese Nationals and making the team means an immeasurable amount more than any placement at the Grand Prix Final.
    GPF placement is a factor in how the JSF chooses its Olympic team. If Machida or Oda perform well at the Finals, then Daisuke will need a blowout performance at nationals to secure a spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcd View Post
    I was kind of 'expecting' something like this to happen. For Daisuke, I think it's smart. At this stage in his career, Japanese Nationals and making the team means an immeasurable amount more than any placement at the Grand Prix Final.
    What are you trying to imply ...

    Japanese Olympic team selections aren't like U.S. ones, by the way. Performing at GPF would boost Daisuke's chances of being on the team if he blows Nationals (knock on wood that he doesn't!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    What are you trying to imply ...

    Japanese Olympic team selections aren't like U.S. ones, by the way. Performing at GPF would boost Daisuke's chances of being on the team if he blows Nationals (knock on wood that he doesn't!).
    I think the implication is that he should save his mental and physical strength for the competitions that matter. GPF is nothing compared to nationals and Olympics. Last season, his bests were at GPF and nationals. He's already won his long awaited gold GPF medal, nothing left to strive for. It's a blessing in disguise I think if he's able to get back into tip top form by nationals

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    I think the top Japanese man in the Grand Prix Finals, if he medals, gets an automatic ticket to the Olympics. Is this right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I think the top Japanese man in the Grand Prix Finals, if he medals, gets an automatic ticket to the Olympics. Is this right?
    Quote Originally Posted by inskate View Post
    One thing to remember, though - the selection process will NOT be based solely on the Japanese Nationals.

    Here's the link to a pdf document listing the Olympic figure skating team selection criteria (in Japanese): http://skatingjapan.or.jp/image_data...senkokijun.pdf

    Rough translation:

    The Olympic Team of Men and Ladies single will be announced at the end of Japanese Nationals.
    The team will be decided from among the Olympic qualifiers by the following selecting method:

    1. The first spot will be awarded to the winner of the Japanese Nationals.
    2. The second spot will be awarded to a skater chosen from the following pool: the winner of the silver medal at Japanese Nationals, the winner of the bronze medal at Japanese Nationals and the skater who placed the highest on the podium at the Grand Prix final.
    3. The third spot will be awarded to a skater chosen from the following pool: the skater qualified in point 2 but was not chosen, 3 skaters who will have the highest World standing at the moment of the Japanese Nationals, 3 skaters with the highest ISU season best score.

    So basically, only the winner of the Japanese Nationals is certain to get a spot (and even that might possibly be influenced by the skater's international success, as the judges are more likely to give high PCS/GoEs to a skater who proved their consistency). If the second place winner has no high international standing, his season PB is lower than 3rd best and he didn't make the GPF, he might find himself booted off the team.
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...to-Sochi/page2

    So were looking at the winner of nationals, the best grand prix performance/silver or bronze at nationals, and someone who has a strong world ranking/ISU score while fulfilling the other requirements.

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    Wow. So even if Oda wins the GPF, and places 2nd at Japanese nationals, he still might not go.

    Say the GPF is 1) Oda 2) Chan 3) Hanyu (unlikely but still)... and Japanese Nationals goes like:

    1st - Yuzu
    2nd - Oda
    3rd - Machida
    4th - Takahashi

    They could still theoretically choose Hanyu for winning Japanese nationals; then Machida for placing 3rd; then Takahashi for having one of the 3 highest ISU season scores.

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    Ohhhhhhhh. I hope he will be ok. I will mis him at GPF, but hope this is not serious and he needs rest. Chan will win anyway, so its probably better he does not face anyone til Japanese Nationals. Now Im worried he won't make team. Sending him best vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Wow. So even if Oda wins the GPF, and places 2nd at Japanese nationals, he still might not go.

    Say the GPF is 1) Oda 2) Chan 3) Hanyu (unlikely but still)... and Japanese Nationals goes like:

    1st - Yuzu
    2nd - Oda
    3rd - Machida
    4th - Takahashi

    They could still theoretically choose Hanyu for winning Japanese nationals; then Machida for placing 3rd; then Takahashi for having one of the 3 highest ISU season scores.
    This is no different compared to U.S. Nationals where only the U.S. Champion is guaranteed a spot. In contrast, JSF has established a clearer protocol with more details. Most of the time, both tend to follow the Nationals' results regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Wow. So even if Oda wins the GPF, and places 2nd at Japanese nationals, he still might not go.

    Say the GPF is 1) Oda 2) Chan 3) Hanyu (unlikely but still)... and Japanese Nationals goes like:

    1st - Yuzu
    2nd - Oda
    3rd - Machida
    4th - Takahashi

    They could still theoretically choose Hanyu for winning Japanese nationals; then Machida for placing 3rd; then Takahashi for having one of the 3 highest ISU season scores.
    They wouldnt do that. If Oda beat Machida at both events he would go for sure. Machida remember has never been to a Worlds, so the JSF isnt going to protect him if he doesnt produce in the next 2 events. He has an edge on Oda right now based on the grand prix results and scores, but still needs to beat Oda in 1 of the 2 events I am pretty sure.

    I wonder if Hanyu comes last of the 3 Japanese men at the GPF if his spot is even in danger based on how he does at Nationals though. Takahashi`s spot is ironically probably safer by WDing.

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    Aww, get better for Sochi, Daisuke!

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