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Thread: Takahashi withdraws from GPF

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Regardless what he could score, I have never seen Hanyu skate a clean long program. Granted he has only been senior a few years now. Even Chan once in a blue moon skates a clean competition so it wasnt that shocking when he did it again in his last outing. I am still waiting for Hanyu`s though.
    Oh, and for the record, once in a blue moon ANY skater/team skates a clean competition. This season on the GP, the only SP+LP skaters (ice dancers don't count obviously) to have given a totally clean competition are Chan at TEB, V/T in both GP outings, and Lipnitskaia at SC (unless I'm missing any others who skated both a clean SP and clean LP). Only one skater/team in each discipline has skated an entirely clean SP & LP thus far.

    6 events, 155 complete sets of SP+LP skated between all the men's, ladies and pairs entries. 4 have been clean (2.58%).

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    For some reason NMURA looks like a big conspiracy theorist who always puts unnecessary pressure on Hanyu. I don't know if this is NMURA's way of bashing Hanyu, since it's equally effective as the frank bashers.

    Anyway I don't think the JSF will favor Hanyu at GPF though. They will favor neither Hanyu nor Oda, especially the latter one deserves more respect from JSF. Daisuke's absence will help Machida the most, as Machida is the most favored one by JSF this season. He gets quite inflated PCS compared to all other Japanese men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor2014 View Post
    Anyway I don't think the JSF will favor Hanyu at GPF though. They will favor neither Hanyu nor Oda, especially the latter one deserves more respect from JSF. Daisuke's absence will help Machida the most, as Machida is the most favored one by JSF this season. He gets quite inflated PCS compared to all other Japanese men.
    I disagree with good reasons. They want to reduce variables to manipulate at Japanese nationals as much as possible. Hanyu's win will guarantee his Olympic spot, then they can concentrate on pushing Takahashi. Takahashi's "injury" makes his position vulnerable as an Olympic medal candidate. GPF is a good occasion to give Hanyu some boost especially in the PCS division. Machida has a little advantage against Oda but they don't care which one comes ahead finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMURA View Post
    I disagree with good reasons.
    I see you disagree with me, but I don't see any good reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMURA View Post
    Takahashi's "injury" makes his position vulnerable as an Olympic medal candidate.
    This is impossible. If Daisuke shows up at Japanese Nationals, he will make the Olympic team. If he has a decent even if imperfect competition, he will be Japanese champion again. There's no way JSF will make Daisuke out of Olympics. They'll do their best to send Daisuke to Sochi. I think Daisuke has a good chance to win his second Olympic medal.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMURA View Post
    GPF is a good occasion to give Hanyu some boost especially in the PCS division. Machida has a little advantage against Oda but they don't care which one comes ahead finally.
    I disagree with you. I think GPF is a good occasion to give Machida some boost especially in the PCS division. Hanyu has a little advantage against Oda but they don't care which one comes ahead finally.

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    I see "doctor" is afraid of Hanyu so much. Hanyu has the highest TES potential in the world. If he was given the federation favorite treatment, that would be something, whereas Machida and Takahashi pose no threat to his favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
    It seems he's adamant to keep it in there in order to avoid turning his 3Z into a 2A to avoid Zayaking. Points-wise it makes sense, but not if he's unable to land the 4S consistently.
    Nope, you're wrong. Hanyu said numerous times that he loves doing and learning quads, that he wants to go for 3 quads in the LP in the future (and he thought about doing it this season already), and that he wants to learn all the different quads (though I think the 4A was half a joke). There were already rumors that he started training a third quad. He isn't simply going for 'as much points as possible', he's going for what he wants to do most because it's what he loves to do.
    And again, his 4S is already really consistent in practices. He hit one in the 6min warm-up in Paris. Getting it out there is exactly what he needs to do, even if he still has trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
    ...there's absolutely no way he's getting 193 points in his FS. He would have to smash his PB by 16 points... and he's no Patrick Chan. The highest Yuzu has scored on TES in the FS is 91.99 -- you're quite idealistic to think he'll score 104 points of TES.
    Who cares if he's Patrick Chan? Yes, NMURA is very optimistic to expect Hanyu to go clean, when he didn't do that so far. But if he would, you could bet he would score about 104 in TES. That's already what he gets when you add the missed points for the 4T and 4S to his TEB TES (87+ with at least +3 for 4T and +10 for 4S, plus the +GOE his jumps can get).
    If you want to get Chan into this: Hanyu would never get Chan's PCS. He can beat him in TES though.

    Quote Originally Posted by doctor2014
    For some reason NMURA looks like a big conspiracy theorist who always puts unnecessary pressure on Hanyu.
    I agree with this, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by doctor2014
    as Machida is the most favored one by JSF this season.
    Hanyu has a little advantage against Oda but they don't care which one comes ahead finally.
    ...I don't find these to be much better

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    I see "doctor" is afraid of Hanyu so much. Hanyu has the highest TES potential in the world. If he was given the federation favorite treatment, that would be something, whereas Machida and Takahashi pose no threat to his favorite.
    Actually, mathematically, Kevin Reynolds (4S, 4T+3T, 3A+3T, 4T, 2A, 3F+3L, 3Z, 3S, at last Canadians... plus if we add a 2L added to a 3 jump combo, plus maxed spins/footwork) has the highest BV = 93.24 points. Hanyu's maxed out BV is 90.62.

    At 90.11, Fernandez isn't far behind -- 92.09 if he changed his final 3S into a 3Z. One would assume Hanyu would get higher GOE than the other 2 overall (however the quads rack up extra GOE for Fernandez/Reynolds).

    Nobody is "afraid" of Hanyu reaching his scoring potential... in fact, we're awaiting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Nobody is "afraid" of Hanyu reaching his scoring potential.
    Actually it seems you are, since you're going to such great lengths to downplay his abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Actually it seems you are, since you're going to such great lengths to downplay his abilities.
    It is really amusing to me, but I find Hanyu way over hyped here on GS. He is very talented, but as far as artistry is concerned, he is kinda blah. And no, he will not get 9+ for PCS at this stage of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Actually it seems you are, since you're going to such great lengths to downplay his abilities.
    I am realistic based on how he has skated. At least I'm not overplaying his abilities like those preaching he can hit 104 TES when he hasn't even come close to it. Again 91.99 is his best (92.99 without the fall at 2012 Worlds). With such an inconsistent 4S it's getting a little ahead of ourselves to think he's currently capable of 104. And we are talking 104 with everything maxed out, including GOE. Maybe at some point he gets 104 TES but that type of score is practically impossible to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I am realistic based on how he has skated. At least I'm not overplaying his abilities like those preaching he can hit 104 TES when he hasn't even come close to it. Again 91.99 is his best (92.99 without the fall at 2012 Worlds). With such an inconsistent 4S it's getting a little ahead of ourselves to think he's currently capable of 104. And we are talking 104 with everything maxed out, including GOE. Maybe at some point he gets 104 TES but that type of score is practically impossible to achieve.
    WOW!!! BUT 91,99 is TES score in 2012 Nice Worlds, the last competition Yuzu did with Nanami.... Are you saying that without Nanami's supervision Yuzu has no hope to improve his FS TES realistically ?

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    99.84 is too much ... even I would say.

    Probably "perfect" Hanyu can break 300 this time.

    It's like a "Lipnitskaya at COR" phenomenon. I don't think it will happen at the Olympics.

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    The "home inflation" was higher than I expected.
    I will change my estimation of Hanyu's FS max from 193 to 196 (106+90).
    He can lose 10 points in TES and still surpass "perfect" Chan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
    At least I'm not overplaying his abilities like those preaching he can hit 104 TES when he hasn't even come close to it.
    I feel like I'm a good preacher

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    i don't think the injury pushes daisuke out of olympic medal contention. it was a smart move on his behalf to sit out the gpf assuming that he felt enough pressure to make that decision in the first place - a poor performance due to stress in his home country could be detrimental to his confidence going into the olympics. If dai's actually injured, then it's smart to withdraw either way since he wouldn't want to risk worsening the pain just 2 months before Sochi. but that's just a thought, no idea what's actually going :(
    i'm kind of sad not to see him compete though, his beatles medley LP is the most detailed and beautifully interpreted program i've ever seen! i just can't get over how basically every single movement falls in line with the beat of the music and how he's able to express so many different emotions and styles in just one program. yuzu and patrick might be the gold medal favorites now, but in my heart daisuke is #1! I watched a documentary on him and he said how he would love to make his coach proud by putting the olympic gold medal around her neck and i started tearing up. Daisuke is such a wonderful person I really hope he does well this season!

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