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    If I recall correctly, participation at Japanese Nationals is mandatory. JSF has the right to give a spot to a skater placed way outside of the Top 3 however, the said skater still needs to attend and complete the Japanese Nationals.

    In other words, Takahashi may not skip Japanese Nationals and get a bye. However, he can go there and finish 5th yet still be given a spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Yuzu for now is the only lock
    and it should be a booster for Yuzu in GPF where Chan doesn't do well in Japan soil , he can win this !
    the same can happen in Olympics in Russia where the overrated Chan have poor result records
    Really?
    I thought Chan won his first WC there and even the Mighty Tarasova stood up and clapped for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Yuzu for now is the only lock
    and it should be a booster for Yuzu in GPF where Chan doesn't do well in Japan soil , he can win this !
    the same can happen in Olympics in Russia where the overrated Chan have poor result records
    Remind me, who was the winner of Japan Open 2011 in Men's?

    Also, what was the place where the previous world record score of combined SP + FS for men was registered prior to TEB 2013?

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    I think it's a smart thing for Daisuke to skip GPF, not only it gives him some quality time to get ready for the Japanese Nationals, he also avoids going head to head against the 3 times World Champion while he is riding a momentum. On the other hand, Hanyu has been practicing "beat up by Chan" at every event in 2013 so much to the point that it is becoming almost like an automation that whenever judges see him, it's an easy 15 points+ in PCS against him. It may help JSF to realize that Hanyu is hopeless and needs to be dumped in favor of either Machida or Takahashi for a chance at possible OGM, especially if Oda and/or Machida can take advantage of Hanyu's vulnerabilities and inexperience at the GPF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Remind me, who was the winner of Japan Open 2011 in Men's?

    Also, what was the place where the previous world record score of combined SP + FS for men was registered prior to TEB 2013?
    and thats it to be bragged ? he has been to Japan open many times and even skipped 4CCS held in Japan
    there are certain locations that skaters seem to do well and not well, for the most part this is Chan's poor track record
    Yuzu should easily grab gold at the GPF, hopefully this momentum will be in Olympics which also a karma soil for Chan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    Dai has to go. I don't know much about this injury but I hope he can get a bye at nationals and should be 100% by February. Machida and Hanyu should be 2 and 3. Machida had been consistent and has a fantastic style. I'm worried about Hanyu's quads this year and he seems like nerves could really affect him but is capable of scong high and would be a great Olympic experience to build on for 2018.
    I love Dai but he does not deserve a bye. I don't think any of the Japanese men deserve byes.

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    Oh…gosh…I'm afraid that folks who wish Patrick ill are now just whistling past the graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    and thats it to be bragged ? he has been to Japan open many times and even skipped 4CCS held in Japan
    there are certain locations that skaters seem to do well and not well, for the most part this is Chan's poor track record
    Yuzu should easily grab gold at the GPF, hopefully this momentum will be in Olympics which also a karma soil for Chan
    Right, because Chan won the 2009 Four Continents in Vancouver at the Pacific Coliseum ahead of Lysacek, the eventual Olympic Champion but somehow only finished 5th a year later at the same place during the Olympic Games. So what conclusion can we draw about Vancouver then? Good location or bad location?

    As for : "Yuzu should easily grab gold at the GPF", I am saving this post so that we can refer back to it after GPF, maybe even send a copy to Hanyu afterwards to tell him who jinxed him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Yuzu should easily grab gold at the GPF, hopefully this momentum will be in Olympics which also a karma soil for Chan
    With home ice inflation Yuzu will get placed higher than Chan, even if Yuzu wiped the ice with his butt like at TEB. Yuzu at home has at least 3+ fall cushion, and if he wins it'll only be because its in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Oh…gosh…I'm afraid that folks who wish Patrick ill are now just whistling past the graveyard.
    Don't worry about it, it's quite comical to read those ill wishes. Just treat them as free entertainment, you know, just-for-laughs type. After all, they are quite funny if not being so delusional to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I love Dai but he does not deserve a bye. I don't think any of the Japanese men deserve byes.
    How many times do you need to say that? Maybe there is something wrong with your love for Dai, if you have to repeat "I love Dai, I love Dai..."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    With home ice inflation Yuzu will get placed higher than Chan, even if Yuzu wiped the ice with his butt like at TEB. Yuzu at home has at least 3+ fall cushion, and if he wins it'll only be because its in Japan.
    if there will be inflation for Yuzu at the GPF then why not ?
    Chan has ridiculous home ice advantage inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I love Dai but he does not deserve a bye. I don't think any of the Japanese men deserve byes.
    The JSF might be in a bit of pickle if say... Machida is the highest Japanese man at the GPF podium, Oda somehow wins nationals against a five course meal of homecooking by the judges, and Hanyu outperforms Daisuke at the nationals. Daisuke on the Olympic team should generate a lot of buzz but the team would come under scrutiny and scandal if he's blatantly gifted it.

    I sometimes wonder if the depth of the Japanese field is as much of a curse as it is a blessing. Last season, it seemed to me that a lot of the Japanese men burned out at nationals and couldn't duplicate that performance at 4CC and Worlds. Oda ended have a strong performance at the Bavarian open after missing the 4CC/Worlds team.

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    Is Hanyu particularly vulnerable when competing against Chan, but winning competitions without him? He did beat Chan once last year, at GPF which was a turning point in my cycle theory when Chan (and others) hit his trough and Hanyu (and others) his peak. (Of course a high calibre skater's trough is till higher than most others' highs and there are other peaks and troughs to come in the career of any skater still competing.) Any way, my point is that, even though Hanyu is less of my favorites after Dai, Koz, and Oda, I believe he is the one who definitely should go to the Olympics, based on his results, which show he's the top Japanese Man right now, and for the experience for the next Olympics.

    As for Chan's probable showing at the GPF, records show he indeed has had poor results there while Takahashi has his best skates in front of his homecrowd. However, Chan has been participating in minor events in Japan pre-season or post Worlds after he has already achieved his goal for the season, having peaked at Worlds and ended his season mentally. The coming GPF is the first time, I think, he is competing in a regular ISU event in Japan, at a time when he has had some mileage with his programs. I therefore would not presume the high likelihood of poor performance there. Of course, we have to consider the lifting effect of home crowd on some of the best skaters in the world and expect possible outstanding performances from the Japanese participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    With home ice inflation Yuzu will get placed higher than Chan, even if Yuzu wiped the ice with his butt like at TEB. Yuzu at home has at least 3+ fall cushion, and if he wins it'll only be because its in Japan.


    Such sincere flattery to someone we know.

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