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    @ Ziggy

    Since the german team has qualified, it is very much likely that our Lady will also skate in the Ladies competition, no matter if "qualified". She is there, so why not "use" her

    THe req. score was, 145 points.


    Just saw the practice Ice Dance and Pairs.

    I absolutely love what Tanja and Stefano did, god is she pretty in her dress. Some really good lift´s as well, but also for Nelli and Alex - twizzle were not bad either, but a tiny + for Nelli and Alex there.

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    Ladies practice short´s

    As you all know, Anne Zetzsche my favorite - she has got some big music and she skates so lovely to it, love her bending knee´s. While I saw the program before, it will definately be one of a few highlights this afternoon. Another definately goes hand in hand with Sandy Hoffmann - I put three words behind her name on my note block. Grace, Grace, Grace - such an amazing attitude on the ice and guess what, she does also like Snowboard like me!

    I also enjoyed the program a lot of Anneli Kawelke, what a glamourous skate - a bit like a movie and I like what she does with her hands during the spins. She puts them almost flat on the ice.

    Sarah and Nathalie - tough call to be honest, I like Sarah a lot but Nathalie as well and I am not sure yet what to make out of Sarahs LP. It has power and fire - but I didnt see enough to really give a good review about it yet.

    I wish them all lots of luck!

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    Results men FS

    1 Peter LIEBERS SCB BER 146.08
    2 Franz STREUBEL ECO BAY 133.16
    3 Paul FENTZ SCB BER 122.55
    4 Christopher BERNECK SCB BER 120.52
    5 Martin RAPPE CEC SAS 118.47
    6 Matthias HECHLER SCKR NRW 78.03

    Peter tried the Quad Toe but fell, afterwards he recovered with a nice triple A - triple Toe. Also his triple Axel later wasnt that well, but you must give him credit. Its a really nice program, he keeps looking up into the - nice interpretation to who wants to live forever, also his knee fall at the end.

    Franz did a nice start with quad Toe and his triple Axel followed by a triple Lutz, sadly his Axels at the end just double.

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    You really need to give credit to Maylin and Daniel, what a skate if you consider their condition with the flu! Amazing!

    They have such a wonderful programm, such a pity with that silly flu that weakened him. Amazing that Daniel could lift Maylin at the end. They received 172.42 in total.

    Also a big fight for Mari and Aaron, but it wasnt enough sadly - just the third place with 168.45 points in total and yes, they were quite disappointed at the Podium.

    Big big program for Aljona & Robin, some of the elements are just so spot on with the music, absolutely amazing work! You have to love the harmony they got on the ice - just great.
    I have seen both pairs now and I cant decide who is the better one. It will be a very close decision I believe - a small error that will decide about gold or silver. Today Aljona and Robin struggled with the Axel which was just single and their triple Toe - triple Toe comb, Ingo of course saw a few elements where they left points on the ice - but overall a very good FS, that fits well to the final mission they got.

    They of course won with 215.73

    Final results in total

    1 Aljona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY 215.72
    2 Maylin WENDE / Daniel WENDE 172.42
    3 Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE 168.45

    P.S.

    Aljona & Robin even received twice 10.0 for their choreographie, plus a 10 for int and performance.

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    Alex,

    Thank you so much for writing these detailed reports. Watching skating live is a very different experience (than television viewing) for me, and it's always interesting to hear reports from people who attended the events. I especially appreciate the news about Peter Liebers. He is one of my favorites.

    For those of us who couldn't attend, this Youtube user has kindly posted videos from the event:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/handschuh1308?feature=watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by BounceAround View Post
    Alex,

    Thank you so much for writing these detailed reports. Watching skating live is a very different experience (than television viewing) for me, and it's always interesting to hear reports from people who attended the events. I especially appreciate the news about Peter Liebers. He is one of my favorites.

    For those of us who couldn't attend, this Youtube user has kindly posted videos from the event:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/handschuh1308?feature=watch
    Your welcome, more details will come in a bit - it will be a short night for sure :D

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    Ladies FS:

    Group one:


    1. Luisa Weber 96.73

    Luisa does compete for the MERC just like Sarah and Nathalie do and she has already been the national junior champion in 2010. Her program today did unfortunately not start so well. She fell twice, first on the Toe and right after at the Sal. But Luisa is a fighter and kept going, her reward a nice double Axel - double Toe - single Rittberger combination, but also a good double Axel and a double Flip - double Toe in combination.
    As a guy who obviously cant do any Bielmanns, I have to point out that she did one right at the end of her program, but also the other spins in her performance like the flying change foot were lovely to watch.

    I am quite curious in which direction this young lady will go in future. With Peter Sczypa she has a coach who can produce good skaters and the most important tool, the fighting spirit she already has.

    2. Anne Zetzsche 127.95

    She is such a joy to watch on the ice and as I said many times before, there is just nothing that doesnt fit. Her attitude, the outfit, the choreo and that great expression in her face - it just all works so lovely together and puts a big smile on my face if I think about it.

    Her skate today was a mixed bag though. She started with her double Axel - double Toe - double Toe combination, but sadly fell on her second element the triple Toe. Her change sit foot spin around half time received a level 4 and that step sequence - just great!

    Anne also put a good triple Toe - double Toe combination on the ice, in general I loved her fighting spirit. If an element didnt work out so well, she didnt show it. She just kept on going and that positive attitude is something she should keep, it will help her a lot in future.

    What she should also keep is her way how she spreads elements in her program. While she opened with three jump elements, she always tried to mix them up with a few steps or spins - something that was especially to see at the end of her program.

    What I hope to see in future of Anne is a program without those sloppy mistakes, that she keeps her positive attitude on the ice and that she keeps on spinning! Great girl, that I will definately keep on eye on.

    3. Jessica Füssinger 88.03

    Jessy has been the vice junior champion in 2012 and had a really difficult skate today. I remember her from the NRW Trophy´s where she did compete at as a little one - well she still isnt a giant, but you get the message I believe.
    For such a young skater nationals are already a big success and we had an almost full house, which can be quite heavy on you.

    Therefore we wont talk about elements that didnt work due nerves, no we talk about those that she actually performed nicely like her Layback spin that received a level two. But also the way how she performed to the first musical change, was nicely done and it was great to see that she could still smile after elements that didnt work out so well. Last but not least, she tried double Axel, triple Toe and Sal - brave move no doubt.

    4. Minami Dobashi 104.34

    This is a interesting one. I am not 100% here, but I believe she either is a pair skater or was. She had a profile on ice partner search and I remember her being together with a guy called Alexander Völler in 2011. Sadly I cant give you the answer to that right now, it can happen however that pair skaters compete solo if their partner is injured. Maybe this is the case here?
    As for her performance, well she did a nice Flammengo I believe (ISU website again! not up to date) and she tried to spread her jumps well and always had a little smile for the crowd. What I loved was her dress, damn that was sexy! She also tried to time her jumps with specific music elements, and performed a nice combination spin of level four right after her double Rittberger - double Toe - double Toe combination.

    5. Anneli Kawelke 124.37

    About 3 years ago, this young Lady learned a double Axel, today she performed this element twice, but also a nice triple Toe - double Toe and a triple Sal - double Toe combination. What men like me dont learn in 10 years, she did in less than 2 and she really rocked her dress. That looked absolutely lovely and fit so well to the type of person she is. On the programm components however, she really needs to improve and thats not because I dislike her style, I love the way how she skates! Its more about variety to be honest, right now she is a shy kitten on the ice and it looks lovely, but then again you cant stay a shy kitten forever.
    Still, she is a cute skater and I definately keep an eye on her - which makes me just realise that I would need like 10 or 20 eyes this season, because I saw so many talented new faces that I want to keep track of.

    Group two:

    6. Nicole Schott 145.48

    This young lady and former national champion made a huge jump from 5 after the SP to three after the LP. With one exception the triple Flip (slight wobble there), all her elements were clean and good performed including a triple Toe - double Toe, triple Rittberger, Sal and a great level three layback spin. She gave herself a big applause at the end and so did the crowd. She really deserved it as Nicole never lost her confidence and this was her reward!

    She is quite a player on the ice as well, I had the pleasure to see her at the Exhibtion and oh lala!

    7. Sarah Hecken 148.06

    The gap between her and Nathalie is quite huge, which is mainly a result of the bad SP yesterday, but also today Sarahs technical score was about 13 points lower than of Nathalie. While yesterday all her jumps except the double Axel had to be downgraded, none were today. Sadly, she also didnt try her triple Toe - triple Toe element and also had to open up her Sal which didnt work at all today.

    On the podium however, her smile worked great. It is something I noticed since years, she is a very lovely young lady but on the ice - she can be a real ice girl so to speak. What I wish for her is a clean program in a top competition some day, a clean SP and a clean FP with her triple - triple, those lovely spins and that fire in her eyes which is hungry for medals.

    I follow Sarah as said yesterday for about 8 years now and I still believe in her, call me nuts but I just do.

    8.Sandy Hoffmann 142.39

    She performed to Evita and just like at Dortmund, it was a spot on performance. I really love her dress with that necklace and how she has her hair - it all works together nicely. I so wanted that great skater on the Podium, of course because she so deserved it, but also and yes I am an egoist there - I wanted a picture of that lovely girl with a medal around her neck for my desktop!

    However, often things dont go as you want them to go and Sandy today, only skated the 5th FS with a really low technical score of just about 31. However, her programm components were above 50 points and this was the third highest score of the day and in my opinion, she was the best in that so called "B note". I just love what she does on the ice, it is absolutely entertaining from the first second until the last and you just dont want her to stop.

    Sandy really tells you something on the ice, an ability even some world champions never had in that extent. You can argue now whats more important, technical or programm components or a mix of both. To me however, that "B Note" is what makes figure skating to such a lovely sport.
    Jumps ok, I know how hard they are and kudos to all those girls that work their way up to single, double and even triple - you all rock. But honestly, nothing beats a story performed on the ice. Be it with grace like Sandy or Anne, be it with naughtyness like of Annika Hocke or be it something totally different - it doesnt matter, as long there is some art and story on the ice.
    Sandy´s whole expression is made for figure skating, you absolutely buy it and even if some of her elements like the triple Rittberger - double Toe didnt work today, it still was an absolutely entertaining ride.

    9. Jennifer Urban 128.27

    I enjoyed the fire in her eyes throughout the performance, she always looked into the crowd! Also to note were her seamless transitions, not only between the elements but also the music. It felt like once piece with lots of variation and that she has a talent for music and dance is well known.
    Jenny started with a triple Rittberger today, but had trouble with the triple Sal and her Toe was also just a double or single. In the middle of her programm she performed some really good spins, level three and four like the change foot combination spin.

    Personally, I would love to see her dance moves off ice someday.

    10. Nathalie Winzierl 175.31

    The winner today does come from Mannheim and she didnt even need a triple - triple combination for it. Nathalie did start with a good triple Lutz, that she later combined with a double Toe. She struggled a bit with her Rittberger today, but finished off her program with a nice triple Sal - double Toe.

    Nathalie who has also won the FS today, was wearing a nice blue dress and again those huge ear rings, latter didnt seem to stop her from doing some nice level three and four spins.

    11. Jenny Parker 132.55

    Our Canadian sadly didnt had her best day. Loads of her jump elements were a bit off, but honestly she is just 17 years old - you ned to understand that she was a bit nervous today, as we had an almost sold out house here.

    Because of that you really need to give her credit for performing a triple Sal - double Toe combination and that she can do lovely spins with her amazing flexibility isnt something new either. Brian Orser has a talent there, he just needs to form it and that he is able to, we all know from Yuna Kim and Javier Fernandez.

    I say that this young lady could be a future national champion - she has a lovely style and I really enjoy her skates a lot.


    Final standings:

    1 Nathalie WEINZIERL MERC B-W 175.31
    2 Sarah HECKEN MERC B-W 148.06
    3 Nicole SCHOTT EJE NRW 145.48
    4 Sandy HOFFMANN DESV SAS 142.39
    5 Jennifer PARKER ECO BAY 132.55
    6 Jennifer URBAN ECO BAY 128.27
    7 Anne ZETZSCHE DREC SAS 127.95
    8 Anneli KAWELKE ERCM BAY 124.37
    9 Minami DOBASHI DEG NRW 104.34
    10 Luisa WEBER MERC B-W 96.73
    11 Jessica FÜSSINGER ECO BAY 88.03

    The other reviews tomorrow

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    With great joy did I go to Berlin this year, not only because it was my first German Nationals as a member of the press - but also because many of those great German athletes like Anne Zetzsche, Sandy Hoffman, Franz Streubel and especially Sarah Hecken were competing. Latter I haven't seen at all in 2013 - which is a shame, as I really like what she does on the ice.

    In general, we did have most of our top people at Berlin this year, which is a great honor and also a great chance that gave me a nice overview about what we have in store, for Budapest and Sochi, but also maybe P'yŏngyang. Because of this I was very pleased to see our best three pairs including Aljona&Robin, but also Peter and of course our two Ice Dance pairs who just rock, each in their own special way. While not each competition was a nail biter, most of the seats were filled and definitely gave a positive response to the sports - especially after the Bavarian folk denied us a new Olympic Nomination a few weeks ago.

    Quad´s in shorts

    Peter said that you need a Quad at Sochi and in general if you want to get anywhere as a male skater. Similar things I heard of Plushenko before and while I am not a big fan of all that "jump theorycrafting" - it´s still such a major achievement for a figure skater if he or she (triple) can land those difficult elements - and landed were two of those here at Berlin.

    Number one by Peter Liebers who also won his fifth national title with a great performance to "Who wants to live forever&Smells Like Teen Spirit", while his Quad Toe worked on Saturday at the SP it didn´t at the FS, but he still put a lovely and emotional performance on the ice nonetheless. We saw a few level four spins and a triple Axel - triple Toe combination and a great choreo and expression with a lot of heart in it.

    A totally different approach was the Western performance of Franz Streubel who finally showed what he does in practice - a Quad Toe. Streubel is a very funny and entertaining guy, so was his program which suffered a little bit under the fact that he couldn´t practice much after Dortmund, so that he just run out of steam in the end.

    Both men will also go to Budapest, with Peter additionally going to Sochi.

    2 hot Lady´s, 1 Italien and a Nerd

    Ice Dance is for many people a niche sport unfortunately. One of the reasons for that in my opinion is the difficulty of understanding it. Let´s face it, if you don´t understand something - then you also lose your interest in it. We all know this from school don´t we?

    Because of this I absolutely love the approach of Alex and Nelli in their programs. They go away from the traditional ice dance, which is a bit stiff and just nail every performance they do on the ice. At Berlin they showed us some really good lift´s, the Twizzle´s maybe not as clean as they could do it - but still! Their emotions and that amazing story, just works for me and I wish that especially in the SD more couples would go away from that stiff type of performing which in my opinion is out dated.

    Rewarded were Nelli & Alex with their fifth national title and a ticket to Sochi and Budapest.

    Since travelling alone is boring, Tanja Kolbe & Stefano Caruso will just tag along, as they also fulfilled the requirements by the DOSB. Our German / Italien couple who does practice at Berlin, but also Milan, showed us some level four lifts and spins, but also a lovely Twizzle - I really liked the warmth they had on the ice, something you could see very well for instance at those choreographed sequences where they hold each others hand.

    For me, as different those couples are - I can´t pick a favorite. Tanja is very charming, Nelli is just cute, Stefano is lovely if you talk to him and Alex ... he is just shocking good!

    10 years anniversary

    It has been exactly ten years since Aljona & Robin won their first national title at Berlin and while they lost a few points at some elements, like the combination triple Toe where he had a little wobble or the Axel that she only did single it was a victory that never was in any danger. What I really enjoy about their program this season is that it is fitting for their most likely last season. You just see something in their eyes, in their movements that is fully choreographed for that one big title which is still missing in their amazing career. Right now I believe that the higher difficulty of Aljona & Robin, if performed clean is their entry ticket to gold. Nonetheless, they must stay clean and it will be a real nail biter at Sochi for sure.

    Also going to Sochi are Maylin & Daniel, who had such a fight to deliver this weekend. Both were sick and had to really be careful this weekend, due the effect´s that such a flu can have on the human body, like exhaustion . Still they didn´t show it, they kept going strong and you really need to give them credit for actually performing elements like the group 5 Axel Lasso Lift which received a level four, just like the step Lasso Lift at the end. What a major element if you consider that Daniel was absolutely destroyed at the end, kneeling down on the ice. Big respect for that from me!

    When I go to Budapest I so hope that those two can get a clean skate, they are my favorite German couple - they pretty much combine everything I said about our Ice Dancers before.

    Last but not least our third pair for Budapest, which also came third here at the Nationals with a triple throw Sal and Loop and two level 4 lift´s. Vaartman / Van Cleave who in my opinion, made a big step forward this year with their programs. I enjoy watching them and maybe we can have three German pairs inside the top 10 at Hungary.

    Mannheim connection

    Nathalie Weinzierl is the new National Champion and highest bet for a ticket to Sochi. While she didn´t do any triple - triple combinations, she has a thing for hot & sexy performances like in the SP to "Fever".

    At the FS however she performed to "Rhapsody" and delivered a very good triple Lutz, Sal and Toe, but also a nice level 4 combination. Her teammate Sarah, while not having a chance for Sochi is at least able to join her at the Budapest squad.

    Hecken who didn´t had the best start into the season, was fighting very hard in her FS. She was trailing behind after the SP and only on position four! While her performance on Sunday wasn´t free of mistakes, she still didn´t give in and delivered a nice triple Sal - double Toe combination and two good double Axel´s.
    Sarah has always kept me busy to be honest, because I so want her to win that big title, a medal at Euro´s would just be so great for her. Back in the days a few years ago when she did the triple - triple, I was sure she would get there - but it has become quiet around Sarah lately.
    She said that she somehow lost the fun on the ice and when she said on Sunday that she has fun again, then this was more important for me than any triple - triple combination. She can be a real ice girl, cold and closed - but she can also be someone who smiles a lot and I am really happy that she found latter again.

    You now probably wonder why I put that "bet for a ticket" right at the start. Well the answer is quite simple. None of our Ladies has managed to score enough points to meet the criteria by the DOSB. Nathalie was very close but not close enough.

    Therefore our DOSB must make a decision this week. They can either let Nathalie skate for us at the Ladies competition, after all she got the spot for us, was close and could compete at the team event as well, or they will not let anyone skate at the Ladies. While I have some serious doubts about last, we just need to wait and see I guess.


    16 chicks or less on ice

    Something I really enjoyed this year at Berlin was the SYS competition, I enjoyed it so much that I even skipped the press conference for it. While this might not be very professional approach, it was a decision made by heart and I absolutely don´t regret it.
    What those young Ladies and 1 Boy do on the ice, is fantastic and next time I go to such an event, I will know a bit more about the sport and the actual competitors. Right now all I can say is that I absolutely loved the team from Saxony (Ice Pearls) which competed in the Basic Novice A SYS. I hope to get an invitation for your next show

    But not only those stuck in my head, there were also teams from Berlin and Bavaria and as far as I know there are real world championships in that type of discipline. I honestly don´t understand, why its not more popular actually and why the ISU doesn´t add those to the Euro´s or worlds. We have 2 free days every year, we even have a noon pair skate this year - I mean why not give those young ladies a bigger audience? They absolutely deserve it in my opinion, no matter if Skating Graces, Starlets or Ice Pearls (just love those names).

    I also need to give credit to the wonderful costumes of Team Berlin, god those outfits rocked, so did their show!

    Keep it up Ladies & our one guy, impressive stuff!


    Pink Panther, Glühwein & Bratwurst

    Germans like to eat, they like to eat a lot! Therefore it was understandable that the whole ice hall was filled with the smell of this delicious food.
    While you might not think it if you see me, I also like to eat a lot! I am not much a drinker though, so I wasn´t that upset that our Bar had no alcohol and honestly, it wasn´t necessary anyways.

    We saw some amazing performances, great talents and also a girl that I cant get out of my head anymore since Dortmund. Her name? Annika? Her profession? Naughty girl! Her status? Rocking hot!
    When she appeared at the Exhibition Skate, I was very surprised but also happy! This girl just did it to me and I assure you guys, also NA will be infected with the Annika Hocke virus sooner or later!

    Infected also were the "Berliners" during the German nationals. It was great to see that we had almost a full house on Saturday and a very packed ice hall on Sunday. For an athlete competing in front of people is very important and after all their profession. Skaters don´t skate for their coaches, or for themselves - no they do it for us in the crowd and because of this we need to keep going to those competitions, be it small or large - every skater deserves to perform in front of a crowd.
    Its bad enough that the judges don´t crack any smile, oh GOD! Some of them are really cold - but its understandable and therefore especially important that skaters can actually look into smiling faces once in a while.

    Last words

    2013 is now going to an end and I have to say that while I probably spent about 25 days inside an ice hall in the last 3 months - it still was a blast! I saw many talented young skaters like Annika Hocke with her naughty style, but also Sandy Hoffmann who performs amazingly well with so much grace and elegance, Anne Zetzsche the girl with the curtain dress and such a lovely attitude and expression when she does the Axel, Nicole Schott who made that lovely FS and came third at the nationals, or Jenny Parker our Canadian girl who sadly didn´t had her best FS.

    Figure Skating is great fun and as sooner the TV stations around the world realize that, the better!

    My next stop will be Budapest, not sure yet if as a press member or not. Time will tell, but you can be sure that I will keep posting and give you news and feedback especially about our German Figure Skating world, but not only of course!
    I will try to maybe get to Oberstdorf in Jan - Feb, but this depends a lot on my job and financial situation, after all I have to pay everything myself - not easy for sure, but its worth it!

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    Alex D,
    This has to be the best review of an event I have ever read! Before, I knew very little about German skaters. Now, I want to know more! I will be watching these skaters, they sound talented.
    Thank you for posting the information! You are knowledgeable and have a good sense of humour, too.

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    There's something wrong with this thread (for me). Whenever I click on the 2nd or 3rd pages it always takes me back to the 1st page. It's been happening for a couple of days now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTimeLurker View Post
    Alex D,
    This has to be the best review of an event I have ever read! Before, I knew very little about German skaters. Now, I want to know more! I will be watching these skaters, they sound talented.
    Thank you for posting the information! You are knowledgeable and have a good sense of humour, too.
    Glad you liked it

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    There's something wrong with this thread (for me). Whenever I click on the 2nd or 3rd pages it always takes me back to the 1st page. It's been happening for a couple of days now.
    I don't think I can help there :(

    Maybe clear cookies or the temp internet files?

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    Thanks for everything Alex, it's much appreciated. You wouldn't, by any chance, know what happened to Shira Willner after she moved to Berlin to train there? She was quite good at her one Europeans but then moved from Mannheim to Berlin, just like Sarah Hecken does now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex D View Post
    Glad you liked it



    I don't think I can help there :(

    Maybe clear cookies or the temp internet files?
    I changed the name to remove punctuation from the title. We've had this odd problem with 2nd or 3rd pages in vbulletin for quite some time. Changing the name fixes the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunstrijdster View Post
    Thanks for everything Alex, it's much appreciated. You wouldn't, by any chance, know what happened to Shira Willner after she moved to Berlin to train there? She was quite good at her one Europeans but then moved from Mannheim to Berlin, just like Sarah Hecken does now.
    I sadly don't have any information about her regarding figure skating :(, I can try to ask around when I get the chance - no promises though.

    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I changed the name to remove punctuation from the title. We've had this odd problem with 2nd or 3rd pages in vbulletin for quite some time. Changing the name fixes the problem.
    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex D View Post

    Final standings:

    1 Nathalie WEINZIERL MERC B-W 175.31
    2 Sarah HECKEN MERC B-W 148.06
    3 Nicole SCHOTT EJE NRW 145.48
    4 Sandy HOFFMANN DESV SAS 142.39
    5 Jennifer PARKER ECO BAY 132.55
    6 Jennifer URBAN ECO BAY 128.27
    7 Anne ZETZSCHE DREC SAS 127.95
    8 Anneli KAWELKE ERCM BAY 124.37
    9 Minami DOBASHI DEG NRW 104.34
    10 Luisa WEBER MERC B-W 96.73
    11 Jessica FÜSSINGER ECO BAY 88.03

    The other reviews tomorrow
    Tnanks Alex for your detailed Reviews! I love how you write nice things about everyone. All the girls work so hard and they deserve it You seem to know a lot about the German skaters and I want to ask, if you know anything about what happened to Isabel Drescher, Katharina Zientek, Anna-Katharina Kreisfeld and Isabelle Glaser as I've missed these girls in Nationals. I remeber Zientek doing world-class triple toe triple toe combinations in the 2011/2012 season and Drescher has been a huge jumper as well. I thought that these girls were really talented and it would be a pity if they had retired.

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