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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Illegal Elements/Movements
    Jumps (or throw jumps) of more than one (1) revolution or jumps of one (1) revolution skated at the same time by both partners.

    I think Capellini/Lanotte got deduction for this.

    http://youtu.be/v20vatta6xI?t=41s
    Thanks elif for offering an explanation for their -2 illegal element.
    It would be quite an unsatisfactory explanation since C/L and their coaches should know what's ok and what's not.

    V/M were really on fire. I love how I had that stupid geeky smile on my face after just a few seconds - love that slow start

    I really don't understand why in ice dance of all competitions there is this RULE that one country has its number one team, and whatever the number 2 team does, they get held back. Weaver/Poje are not in 3rd place because they're canadian. And that's simply wrong, offensive. And pathetic.
    I've never been a big fan of Bobrova/Soloviev (still, I liked last year's free), and despite really trying hard to enjoy them, I can't help but think they're not in the same league as ALL of the other couples in terms of PCS. They got almost 2 pts more in PCS than Weaver/Poje. I don't get it. Ilynikh/Katsalapov are way better imo and have a much bigger potential. Very unfortunate they've been branded russia's #2 pair, which brings us back to the whole "national #2 deduction".
    My ranking:
    Virtue/Moir
    Davis/White (still, a much better free so they'd probably still get the lead back in the end)
    Weaver/Poje
    Pechalat/Bourzat
    Capellini/Lanotte
    (...)
    The guy who's driving the zamboni
    (...)
    Bobrova/Soloviev (Ilynikh/Katsalapov beat them as well, even in absentium)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    Yes. I noticed that too. Ususally in Japan, the crowds seem to have greater support of the Americans. I love how the Japanese call The United States, the USA.

    Also, Meryl and Charlie have skated at NHK for the this year and last year so they might just have a larger fan base there in comparison to the Americans.

    I don't know...Does anyone else have a good reason?
    Yes and this is off topic. Meryl and Charlie are immensely popular in Japan because they are fabulous
    skaters and another reason could be because Daisuke Takahashi (who is revered in Japan) has spoken many times
    about his admiration for Meryl and Charlie's skating and especially Meryl. In an interview on a television show
    after the NHK Trophy Dai and Mao were asked by the TV commentator to write down 3 wishes. One of Dai's wishes
    was to be Meryl's partner. The commentator said you would like to be Meryl's ice dance partner and Dai said any type
    of partner, then the commentator said you mean her life partner as well, Dai laughed and said he would be to
    embarrassed for that. It is common knowledge with skating fans in Japan that Dai has a crush on Meryl.

    Back on Topic: V/M and D/W were both amazing! Poor Anna and Luca. I hope they can recover in the FD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    I've never been a big fan of Bobrova/Soloviev (still, I liked last year's free), and despite really trying hard to enjoy them, I can't help but think they're not in the same league as ALL of the other couples in terms of PCS. They got almost 2 pts more in PCS than Weaver/Poje. I don't get it. Ilynikh/Katsalapov are way better imo and have a much bigger potential. Very unfortunate they've been branded russia's #2 pair, which brings us back to the whole "national #2 deduction".
    I don't like Bobrova/Soloviev's free dance too but their short dance is not that bad. They are close to each other which is judges are looking especially in short dance.They are skating last one minute of the program with close dance holds and they are not losing speed. This is why their PCS is high. 7 out of 9 judges gave them 9.00 for skating skills.We have judges from USA, CAN, ITA and FRA. I love Ilinykh/Katsalapov but they are not using close dance holds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    Yes and this is off topic. Meryl and Charlie are immensely popular in Japan because they are fabulous
    skaters and another reason could be because Daisuke Takahashi (who is revered in Japan) has spoken many times
    about his admiration for Meryl and Charlie's skating and especially Meryl. In an interview on a television show
    after the NHK Trophy Dai and Mao were asked by the TV commentator to write down 3 wishes. One of Dai's wishes
    was to be Meryl's partner. The commentator said you would like to be Meryl's ice dance partner and Dai said any type
    of partner, then the commentator said you mean her life partner as well, Dai laughed and said he would be to
    embarrassed for that. It is common knowledge with skating fans in Japan that Dai has a crush on Meryl.

    Back on Topic: V/M and D/W were both amazing! Poor Anna and Luca. I hope they can recover in the FD.
    Cute story but it does rather have a ring of "My girlfriend lives in Canada..." (You Avenue Q fans will know what I mean!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Illegal Elements/Movements
    Jumps (or throw jumps) of more than one (1) revolution or jumps of one (1) revolution skated at the same time by both partners.

    I think Capellini/Lanotte got deduction for this.

    http://youtu.be/v20vatta6xI?t=41s
    I think you're right. They didn't seem to come off the ice at that point in the program at NHK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    Yes. I noticed that too. Ususally in Japan, the crowds seem to have greater support of the Americans. I love how the Japanese call The United States, the USA.

    Also, Meryl and Charlie have skated at NHK for the this year and last year so they might just have a larger fan base there in comparison to the Americans.

    I don't know...Does anyone else have a good reason?
    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    ... It is common knowledge with skating fans in Japan that Dai has a crush on Meryl.
    Other reasons:

    (1) Davis/White have competed at NHK Trophy a total of five times (incl. four since 2009), compared to one time for Virtue/Moir (in 2007).

    (2) Another possible factor:

    Davis/White have skated in Mao Asada's "The Ice" shows in Japan, although not this year. (And in addition to the tour for paying audiences, the cast of The Ice, incl. D/W, also has given special performances for those affected by the tsunami.) I believe that "The Ice" also is broadcast on Japanese television.

    Virtue/Moir have a history of skating in Yuna Kim's shows in Korea (and the U.S.), although their schedules have not permitted them to so for the last couple of years.

    (3) And in all seriousness, I wonder whether the ShibSibs videos also have helped Japanese fans get to know D/W better.

    D/W have appeared in several ShibSibs videos, b/c the Americans are together a lot for adventures away from home. They have been fellow cast members not only for The Ice, but also for the skating/gymnastics show in the U.S., etc. Plus the Americans all go to U.S. Figure Skating's Champs Camp.
    No offense to Davis, but White esp. is a ham with a big laugh -- he's hard to miss in the videos.

    AFAIK, Virtue/Moir have never been in a ShibSibs video. The Shibs have not made one showcasing Team Canton training at home. And competitive events on the road are not conducive to shooting their videos.

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    [I completely agree! V/m should have won. Their PCS should have been at least 2 points higher.


    QUOTE=flaneur;801149]Just watched the V/M and D/W sd twice. By the eye test V/M should have won tonight. Their skate felt complete and nuanced-- it breathed, wasn't rushed and was really 'danced'. In comparison D/W, while having their trademark lightness and speed, was a tad shallow and stiff in their presentation -- at times it felt like a technical exercise in which they did each component but the components didn't really feel connected as a dance. And today their speed was borderline frenetic. This is why I am a bit confused that D/W won through their PCS. Looking through the protocols I have a suspicion that D/W may have gotten the win tonight based on their reputation this season of being the better team.

    Anyhow, just calling a spade a spade. Glad the marks are still close. Hope both teams bring it for the fd.[/QUOTE]

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    I'm okay with either of the top two being in first. I find the final part of V/M's program awkward (the cheek to cheek is too litteral and [pardon the pun] cheeky). The final pose of V/M's program still bugs me.

    I enjoy the ending of D/W's SD much more, but overall the program just seems to be a step back maturity wise. I don't know why, I just feel that way.

    I think of all the SD's shown here my favorites are Anna and Luca's and Kaitlyn and Andrew's.

    I think P/B's could be better with more polish, but it just seems so... not ready for this part of the season. It worries me.

    there's nothing about B/S that I really like... this SD did nothing for me.

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    Did V/M change any of the music cuts or choreography of their long program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    Did V/M change any of the music cuts or choreography of their long program?
    I'm wondering about it too and I'd die for any info from practice sessions how did it look...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    I think of all the SD's shown here my favorites are Anna and Luca's and Kaitlyn and Andrew's.
    Maybe you just have a serious love of 42nd Street?

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    D/W and V/M are practically in a tie. Only halfway through the competition, but this seems to confirm my hunch since the season started that it will be a close race for the OGM. I prefer V/M's SD to D/W's, yet think the Americans have the stronger FS. Will be exciting to see what goes down tomorrow. Hoping both teams give their best!

    But I am mostly relieved that B/S are so far behind the top two teams. That is as it should be.

    And I hope Anna and Luca have a better skate in the free! Shame as their short dance is one of my favorite programs this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaneur View Post
    Maybe you just have a serious love of 42nd Street?
    hmmmm, possible, though I don't think so... I definitely like the arrangement of C/L's music more than W/P's... but I'm not a big fan of the musical.

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    SHORT DANCE - VIDEOS (By Starting Order) - Updated

    1. Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE (ITA) Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy

    2. Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN) Short Dance, 2nd copy, 3rd Copy

    3. Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT (FRA) Short Dance, 2nd copy, 3rd Copy

    4. Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) Short Dance, 2nd copy, 3rd Copy

    5. Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR (CAN) Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy

    6. Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE (USA) Short Dance, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy

    RESULT

    Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    why ? are V/M some sort of untouchable gods like Patrick Chan ?
    and we all know how that saying was overturned. who knew a score of 99+ was even possible...

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