12-06-2013, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
I'm sure you said the same about the countless occasions in the past when Chan made big mistakes but still got overinflated scores and way too high PCS
12-06-2013, 02:51 PM
Hanyu's TES of his TEB free was 87.3 points.
Replacing first two jumps with those of GPF, you will get TES of 99.9 points.
Such a huge number could prop up his PCS at least 3 or 4 points.
Most likely, Hanyu would have gotten about 280 points at TEB if he skated like at GPF.
The difference of 13 points could be explained for the home bonus and federation's favorite ("ace") bonus.
I think he was given about 286 points even if it was not in Japan, beating Chan comfortably.
12-06-2013, 02:59 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
These PCS are what Hanyu should get if he were skating to an updated version of his 2012 Long Program. His current program is formulaic crap and the scores are undeserved. Unless he skates absolutely perfect, he definitely won't get that much at the Olympics.
However, I'm glad Hanyu scored so well at this competition, to shut up some annoying people who like to downplay his abilities/chances. His technical ability is higher than anyone else in the World and he can be an amazing performer, when given the right vehicles.
There's pretty much nobody I'm rooting for to win the Olympics at this point. All of the Men in contention have disappointing Long Programs this season.
12-06-2013, 03:24 PM
12-06-2013, 03:26 PM
That is very good description of how I feel about men's longer programs. Sad but truth.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
12-06-2013, 03:32 PM
Poor you too
Originally Posted by spread beagle
12-06-2013, 03:44 PM
PChan was clean if you compared to his usual standard of FS skating. But he did step out on one jump, so less visible and costly mistake than Hanyu.
Originally Posted by Leonardo
12-06-2013, 04:02 PM
Yes, but then again Yuzuru's base value was 8 points higher than Patrick's (and that's with a botched spin), which gave him room for a mistake. He was scored rather generously in PCS, but apart from the fall his performance was very strong - this is hardly on the level of what happened at 2012 Worlds.
Originally Posted by wonderlen3000
Oh, and seeing Patrick fans cry foul when another skater is overscored strikes me as a bit hypocritical - just saying .
12-06-2013, 04:03 PM
Hanyu - excellent. That program is great for him, and the choreography is great too, very expressive. I loved what Brian Orser said in the kiss and cry, that there is still room for improvement. So if he can get a score like this with a fall and a bad combination spin, then he can still beat Chan, even without the PCS inflation as others are saying. I really hope he can skate clean at the Olympics! The only thing I have to shake my head at is the way he acted after his program was finished. A little dramatic for my tastes...
Chan- beautiful program to Four Seasons. Still room for improvement too though in time for the Olympic Games. He didn't seem to happy with it, though he skated clean pretty clean. Maybe because he knew he had 13 points to make up?
Oda- woohoo! He was so happy to be on the podium, and he set himself up well for the Olympics! Happy for him
Machida- This is my favorite Fire Bird program that any skater has ever skated to. Very artistic and pays attention to detail. Great skate for him too
12-06-2013, 04:19 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl
I'm just so thrilled that Nobu medalled!!! I so want him to also do well at Japanese Nationals & make the Olympic team.
12-06-2013, 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
Dai, Yuzuru and Nobunari
12-06-2013, 04:35 PM
Lifelong Adam Fan
The ice is slippery isn't it?! I cannot believe someone unseated Chan, shocking. This is good for Hanyu, good for skating and even good for Chan. I think it is going to be blood and guts in Sochi, the pressure will be intense. Well, may the best skater win, it will be exciting for us to watch for sure!
12-06-2013, 04:37 PM
Me too. But at one point, I was thinking, "Nobu had his turn in 2010, so if he misses up, I hope Tatsuki gets the spot because he has proven to be worthy competitor". But Nobu did really well yesterday, and I think he deserves to be on the Olympic Team if he keeps it up :D
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
12-06-2013, 05:07 PM
I know sky fly will disagree but I think Hanyu was generously marked. His choreography and pcs are not as sophisticate IN the alternative if this is truly what the judges see then Patrick might as well give up as well as Dai. Hanyu imho was overmarked; he deserved to win but not by that much and I have say his skating skills should be much further behind Chan her and overall Dai and chan. The pcs were rather generous for Hanyu because I risk being killed I could see how he could have been furher behind Chan in the fs .
Originally Posted by hikki
12-06-2013, 05:10 PM
Hey Shayuki you do know we aren't sure whose performance is easier. Techically Hanyu might be more difficult but skating skilsl and all and transitions Chan is far more difficult and his ss are far superior to Hanyu.
Originally Posted by Shayuki