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    Also congrats to Oda! I wonder what Oda will need to do at Nationals to get the third spot to Sochi (I'm guessing Hanyu and Takahashi are in).

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    Have refrained from commenting but of course ALL the skaters received home advantage to varying degrees, including Hanyu here and Patrick in Canada. It doesn't mean it'sright, it means that's the way it is. (edit: actually France's recent TEB showed much less favoritism to their team)

    Hanyu is a great jumper, but his posture, carriage and SS are worse than Patrick's, hope he improves in these areas, develop more defined and refined lines.

    Patrick is fighting in this LP, the ease and confidence left him, unfortunately. He is still a great skater regardless.

    Despite the errors, I enjoyed Maxim Kovtun's LP the most because of the precision, definition and pure elegance of his movement - none of the others could match his presence and SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyskates View Post
    Despite the errors, I enjoyed Maxim Kovtun's LP the most because of the precision, definition and pure elegance of his movement - none of the others could match his presence and SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blades of passion View Post
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Yes! He's going to be the next Plushenko. You heard it here first.

    With the exception of Chan, the others, though technically excellent, skated more like boys than men, whereas Kovtun and even Pitkeev in Junior come across with a maturity and sophistication.

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    I like him, but I don't see how you can proclaim his skating skills as the best of this event...

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    I'd discount Kovtun's SP here, but at CoC the steps were impressive even though he slipped. I know you propose to cut them, but steps really show the strength of the SS.

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    Erm.

    Kovtun's SS are definitly one of his weaknesses. He worked a lot on his IN and PE (IMO, at least), and his programs suit him, but his SS are...by far the weakest in this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Erm.

    Kovtun's SS are definitly one of his weaknesses. He worked a lot on his IN and PE (IMO, at least), and his programs suit him, but his SS are...by far the weakest in this event.
    Not this year, for sure, not since Zagreb. Disagreement = Trolling?

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    SS are pretty objective, really...

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    Ack, double post...please delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    SS are pretty objective, really...
    Hmm...judges at recent events seem to disagree, he won Silver (I think underscored at CoC), Gold (Rostelecom), 5th here but I think both he and Lipnitskaia were a bit underscored in LP. He used to skate poorly, carelessly, clumsily but I'm impressed by the speed and distance of his Sochi trajectory. Personally, I'm not fond of him, but I'm not letting the past derision (truly ugly jumps before but now, quads & combination jumps are his strength....) influence me - respect is due for his maturity and composed recovery from the SP. He could medal in (home advantage) Sochi if he keeps at this rate, I won't underestimate or grudge him for it.

    Chan is still easily unnerved and Hanyu has poor carriage, posture, extension which he must quickly correct in order to impress in Russia. Perfect SP and FS from Kovtun (if Plushenko isn't showing up) would be quite the threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyskates
    Hmm...judges at recent events seem to disagree, he won Silver (I think underscored at CoC), Gold (Rostelecom), 5th here but I think both he and Lipnitskaia were a bit underscored in LP. He used to skate poorly but I'm impressed by the speed and distance of his Sochi trajectory. Personally, I'm not fond of him, but I'm not letting the past derision (truly ugly jumps before but now, it's his strength....) influence me - respect is due for his maturity and composed recovery from the SP. He could medal in Sochi if he keeps at this rate, I won't underestimate him.
    Oh, I agree that he deserves respect for coming back after his SP, and for the overall improvement, no doubt. I just think you singled out what are actually more his weaknesses (SS, and his upper body moves are still stiff and unbalanced to me) then his strengths. His SS have become better, but that doesn't mean he's on the same level as the other guys here.

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    For steps and moves, he's not as good as Hanyu in terms of flow, speed, but power, quickness, extension, posture, carriage, I think he's better. Spins are Hanyu's, but turns..Kovtun's SP just wow. Russians seem to prefer a tighter, controlled, defined, skate.

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    I'm a Kovtun fan but unless he pulls out all the stops and all the other guys falter, he is not a threat. You do realize he lost by 60 points, right?

    He's a threat the way Reynolds and Ten is a "threat". Although he'll get home cooked PCS in Sochi (if he goes) so I suppose he might be slightly more of a threat than those two.

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