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    Hanyu and Chan both received inflated PCS IMO. Chan even clean is not worth 95+ in PCS for me. He deserves very high PCS of course, but his skating lacks the soul, passion, and true beauty to warrant something that high. Anyway his programs were better and more interesting a few years ago than currently. As for Hanyu areas he could improve in have already been noted so I wont bother. Still great to see 2 men skate so well in the LP phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraM View Post
    no he wont beat Chan if he gets PCS he deserves (not this overhyped PCS scores he got here) and chan goes two clean programs
    Agree but the win should be on the day and not the crowning before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraM View Post
    no he wont beat Chan if he gets PCS he deserves (not this overhyped PCS scores he got here) and chan goes two clean programs
    If that a reply to my post - I talk about this competition even without this much PCS boost (minus around 12 points of his score here) he would still beat Chan overall because Yuzuru has an advantage on TES score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treeloving View Post
    Even without PCS boost, Yuzu deserve to beat chan here and will beat Chan anyway because of his TES score, his PCS in SP + LP is around 12 point higher than he usually get but even without that he still beat Chan by a slim margin!
    I felt that Hanyu's pcs in the short were kind of deserved, maybe 1 or 2 points overscored? In the free, probably 5 points overscored, last year in the GPF in Russia he got 85 in pcs with a weaker program, IMHO. Of course Yuzu was overscored in pcs, but, if he hits, he has a real shot at winning the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emdee
    I think Yuzu deserved to win overall but IMO Patrick deserved the LP.
    Sounds fair. I'm just proud of the monstrous TES score, I'll defend that, but the PCS were too high.

    Both being completly clean, Chan would win. But no matter where the skates will happen, I think a perfect Hanyu wouldn't leave Chan much room for error. And I at least think that's exciting

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    Congrats to Yuzuru, Patrick and Nobu. And great comeback for Machida. Still missing Daisuke, though I'm afraid he will not enter the spheres of Yuzuru and Patrick ever. I just hope he will be at the Olympics and maybe can snatch another bronze.

    To be honest I didn't think Yuzuru would win after the fall. I'm quite surprised by the gap between him and Patrick. Seems the judges really are keen on making things exciting for the Olympics.

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    i agree, i also think the judges are trying to make things more exciting for the olympics by showing how close it will be, i was very suprised when yuzus free skate scores came up, i still dont get it... and yes i read the protocols..

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    at Hanyu's PCS jumping up 11 points in 3 weeks time and to top it off, he wasn't even clean. Only in figure skating and only on Japan ice. I'm shocked to see Yuzu win the LP here, even if only by less than a point with a fall when Chan was clean in the LP, albeit with a little less technical base value. Patrick should have won the LP I think!

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    MEN'S FREE SKATE - VIDEOS (By Starting Order)

    1. Tatsuki MACHIDA (JPN) Free Skate

    2. Maxim KOVTUN (RUS) Free Skate

    3. Han YAN (CHN) Free Skate

    4. Nobunari ODA (JPN) Free Skate

    5. Patrick CHAN (CAN) Free Skate

    6. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) Free Skate

    RESULT

    Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols

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    Wow, so Hanyu won by a huge margin, compared to how many points anyone else has beaten Patrick Chan by in the last few years. Lol, I fell asleep during Chan and woke up during Hanyu. Neither were boring.. I was just tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraM View Post
    no he wont beat Chan if he gets PCS he deserves (not this overhyped PCS scores he got here) and chan goes two clean programs. Like i said Chan should have won the free skate here, but overall score because of the short it was yuzurus win but not with that huge gap! cmon people hes not that good, and im sorry but that rome and juliet program is really not working for me..
    Hanyu has a pretty big base value advantage over Patrick in the free skate. An extra triple axel, a quad sal (which he means he can repeat a 3lutz and a 3axel) and all combos in the later half of the program including both triple axels. Those things start adding up. Hanyu has maybe around 8 point advantage. I think in general Hanyu's jumps are cleaner and should warrant higher GOE than Patrick on jumps. If Hanyu hadn't fallen on his quad sal he would have ended up with more over all GOE than Chan.

    Although there is a tendency of the judges not to hit Patrick for lower GOE even when he doesn't deserve superb GOE on the element see his last spin should have been negatives across the board wasn't.

    Now Hanyu doesn't have a huge short program advantage and yes Patrick deserves higher PCS.... However 8 points to 9 points higher in the free?

    I think Chan could come up higher due to the short/overall. Oh I don't think Hanyu's PCS will be so high outside of Japan.

    But the point of the matter is Chan's a bit more vulnerable to Hanyu than you are given him credit for being. Its like a Tara vs Michelle thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    at Hanyu's PCS jumping up 11 points in 3 weeks time and to top it off, he wasn't even clean. Only in figure skating and only on Japan ice. I'm shocked to see Yuzu win the LP here, even if only by less than a point with a fall when Chan was clean in the LP, albeit with a little less technical base value. Patrick should have won the LP I think!
    Like Chan was never overscored, especialy in Chanada. Far worse than anything that occured her. Worlds last year will remain one of the all time farces in skating history for decades to come, and only the very occasional Canadian (and even few of those as most Canadians are reasonable people) would ever dispute that. Skate Canada 2010 isnt far behind.

    As for the huge jump in PCS, well it makes sense you get much higher PCS for a great skate than a crappy one, regardless where you skate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Sounds fair. I'm just proud of the monstrous TES score, I'll defend that, but the PCS were too high.

    Both being completly clean, Chan would win. But no matter where the skates will happen, I think a perfect Hanyu wouldn't leave Chan much room for error. And I at least think that's exciting
    Yes, so exciting! I will likely close my eyes...

    That will be hard on my stomach ... my two favourites battling for the gold.
    Naturally I also want Canada to have an Oly men's gold so it will be doubly hard.

    Just hope all have perfect skates that is what I would wish for and judging that is based on actual performance on the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Hanyu has a pretty big base value advantage over Patrick in the free skate. An extra triple axel, a quad sal (which he means he can repeat a 3lutz and a 3axel) and all combos in the later half of the program including both triple axels. Those things start adding up. Hanyu has maybe around 8 point advantage. I think in general Hanyu's jumps are cleaner and should warrant higher GOE than Patrick on jumps. If Hanyu hadn't fallen on his quad sal he would have ended up with more over all GOE than Chan.

    Although there is a tendency of the judges not to hit Patrick for lower GOE even when he doesn't deserve superb GOE on the element see his last spin should have been negatives across the board wasn't.

    Now Hanyu doesn't have a huge short program advantage and yes Patrick deserves higher PCS.... However 8 points to 9 points higher in the free?

    I think Chan could come up higher due to the short/overall. Oh I don't think Hanyu's PCS will be so high outside of Japan.

    But the point of the matter is Chan's a bit more vulnerable to Hanyu than you are given him credit for being. Its like a Tara vs Michelle thing.
    I agree with all this. A very fair and reasonable assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Like Chan was never overscored, especialy in Chanada. Far worse than anything that occured her. Worlds last year will remain one of the all time farces in skating history for decades to come, and only the very occasional Canadian (and even few of those) would ever dispute that. Skate Canada 2010 isnt far behind.
    He did get huge points for that quad fall, of course I disagree with how many points are awarded for quad falls. But considering how many times Patrick benefited from quad fall, I think Chan fans especially can know see the shoe on the other foot. Points for rotations aren't so nice now are they.

    Hanyu has a higher base value in the short program too but not as big of a deal..In general, do I think Hanyu's PCS were a big high here yes. But I think in general how low do you think Hanyu's PCS are going to be...

    Chan's not the only one with beautiful skating skills at the end of the day. Hanyu's skating skills aren't as good as Chan's but they are very very good. Chan's PCS are only going to be soo high. And I don't think a clean Chan in the short at the Olympics will have the type of short program lead that he got over a clean Ten last year. It might be three point lead at best.

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