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    Mao's jumps are ALWAYS short of rotation, especially the Loops and Flips.

    Would have < the second Flip, the Toeloop and the Loop as well.

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    One good thing for Adelina: even Amano didn't give her < this time.

    I'm happy Julia skated clean after the CoR. I love this program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itcaip View Post
    Mao's jumps are ALWAYS short of rotation, especially the Loops and Flips.

    Would have < the second Flip, the Toeloop and the Loop as well.
    Gosh, it was even evident to me today on slow motion. But I'm assuming they were all/most less than 1/4 under-rotated?

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    What a joke :lmao:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranjake View Post
    Gosh, it was even evident to me today on slow motion. But I'm assuming they were all/most less than 1/4 under-rotated?
    They were, amazingly enough. I checked slo-mo replays of all her jumps frame by frame. All triples except the second triple-axel were less than 1/4 under-rotated. (And I still think her triple-axel in the short should have been ratified, because that was just at the 1/4 line. )

    It's not like skaters land completely backward in any case, you know. If they did land completely and perfectly backward, they would fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    They were, amazingly enough. I checked slo-mo replays of all her jumps frame by frame. All triples except the second triple-axel were less than 1/4 under-rotated. (And I still think her triple-axel in the short should have been ratified, because that was just at the 1/4 line. )

    It's not like skaters land completely backward in any case, you know. If they did land completely and perfectly backward, they would fall.
    This is something I'm still learning and studying. It's interesting to me so I appreciate the slow-motion replays AND your explanation This is TERRIBLE to say, maybe, I hope not- but I always found it obvious and easy to see the UR's of Sarah Hughes. For most of the rest, I rely on the slow-motion replays and the expertise of you guys.

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    3Axel<
    3Axel<<
    2Axel+3toeloop<
    3flip<+2loop<+2loop<

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranjake View Post
    This is something I'm still learning and studying. It's interesting to me so I appreciate the slow-motion replays AND your explanation This is TERRIBLE to say, maybe, I hope not- but I always found it obvious and easy to see the UR's of Sarah Hughes. For most of the rest, I rely on the slow-motion replays and the expertise of you guys.
    Of course, at the end of the day, we must all defer to the expertise of the technical panel, who, except for the occasional miscall, get it right, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue View Post
    For once I'm happy that the Olympics are in Russia so if all the field skates this bad and Julia not...The winner won't be decided by huuuuuuuge PCS boost or smth
    Uh.... you saw what happened at Cup of Russia? Julia could be the recipient of said PCS boost.

    Mao definitely deserved the win but was heavily overscored... 131 points for that? Yikes. Lipnitskaia got slightly lower PCS than deserved... I'd have had her at 61-62 points, but this is a far more realistic representation of the PCS she should be getting versus the 63.64 for her awful COR FS (probably 67-68 had she skated like in Fukuoka).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Mao definitely deserved the win but was heavily overscored... 131 points for that?
    Why not? She landed all her jumps in the second half of the program. If she can land her first two jump passes, that would mean she would score around 150ish. Sounds right to me.

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    LADIES FREE SKATE - VIDEOS - (By Starting Order)

    1. Anna POGORILAYA (RUS)

    2. Elena RADIONOVA (RUS)

    3. Julia LIPNITSKAIA (RUS) Free Skate, 2nd copy

    4. Ashley WAGNER (USA) Free Skate, 2nd Copy

    5. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) Free Skate

    6. Mao ASADA (JPN) Free Skate, 2nd Copy

    Complete Free Skate, Medal Ceremony

    RESULT

    Overall Result, Segment Result, Protocols

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Why not? She landed all her jumps in the second half of the program. If she can land her first two jump passes, that would mean she would score around 150ish. Sounds right to me.
    Upon a second look at the scoring, I take back what I said... I would have expected less than 130 (I mean, she her first two jumping passes had a fall and a UR, even if 3As, and she UR'ed her 3 jump combo jumps), but 131 isn't actually that outrageous or "heavily overscored" as I initially asserted. If anything, we should all be thrilled she's going for the two axels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I hope you all enjoyed playing "How low can that TES box thingy go!?"
    You know, when I first saw it, I thought the box thingy was kind of irritating, but now I think I'm actually gonna miss it during the olympics

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    There's so much negativity here, but I felt there were lots of positives in this competition:

    - Adelina gets a 3Lz-3L accredited, with Amano! That's a feat. This is like the 1st loop combo to not be underrotated in years right?
    - Julia really doing well with the GOE on her spins
    - Mao not letting the 3A's affect the rest of her jumps, and attempting them!
    - Amano actually giving credit to one of the 3A's?

    - No one peaking yet before the Olympics!

    I think the podium is correct. I don't feel that there was massive over-scoring, the protocols make sense. If anything, didn't Mao get less PCS this time?
    Julia's PCS are back to "normal"- ie. not in Russia. If she can win and get a decent score with a pretty much bombed out performance, then the reverse should be true. If the Russ Fed complains about this, then they'd be completely hypocritical. I hope thy don't seek revenge in Sochi though...

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    I like so much Mao's program, her whole package, how much has she changed since previous Olympics, all my hope to win Olympic Games. Julia was amazing too. Ashley's program is not as Black Swan was, I wish she changed it back.

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