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    What is the best strategy for amazing Asada to challenge incredible Kim at the Games?

    Obviously her skate in the long program will say alot (not so much her score as the scores in Japan should be taken with a grain of salt as already noted by others with Hanyu and some others). She will likely win this event even with an imperfect performance, regardless what her competitors do. However looking ahead, it looks like Kim is the only one who can seriously challenge Mao for this years Olympic Gold medal, and there is obviously a question mark around Kim at this moment. That said, whether or not Kim returns at her absolute best, I do not think Maos skating this season thus far, as strong as it is, is likely to beat her. The short program at the Grand Prix final was more of the same, great skating and standing up very difficult jumps, but always a costly technical error of sorts. It is clear she has a hard time consistently rotating the triple axel (her short program here had another downgrade), yet she continues to go for it, even with a high likelihood of < and even if it is not < likely not cleanly done, and in the long program especialy it also can be a challenge to receover from if it doesnt go perectly. She can get away with those vs anyone else, but not likely vs Kim.

    So what should her best strategy be when facing Kim in Sochi. To try and scale back on the difficulty some and go clean, similar to the strategy that S&S are now at last trying to employ to challenge and put more pressure on V&T, and atleast secure the silver in Sochi. Or to go for broke in both programs, complete with all 3 axels and 3-3 combos, as her best shot of somehow beating a perfect Kim.

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    If Mao is clean she should win the SP against Yuna. The LP will be a problem because Yuna has a much easier time delivering a clean long than does Mao. Mao did an absolutely stunning 3F in the SP that had great height and flow out, and that is exactly how she needs to land her 7 planned triples in her LPs. I am mixed on whether she should do 1 3A and the 3F/3R or just 2 3A's. I'd say probably the 2 3A's just because she can stop training the 3/3. I don't see her scaling back her programs at all because that isn't her style.

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    what other option Mao has? if she does a 3-3 and 2a in her sp the 3f-3loop will be ur or dg anyway, and if she does 3-2 and 2a Yuna will beat her.
    In the LP the same of course she can go for the easy way but if both of them go clean we all know who will win. Mao needs the 3a or 3-3 for to get the gold if Yuna doesn´t do mistakes, I don´t think Mao want less than the gold medal.

    and the ur 3a in this competition was totally unfair, I don`t think in the OG it would be called ur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I thought the 3 axel was a borderline call. It didnt look clean, but as far as rotation it was right on the edge, about a quarter. I am very surprised in Japan she wouldnt get the benefit of the caller though. A troubling sign for her as if she didnt get it here, she definitely wont in Sochi (for a similar attempt that is of course).
    Amano won´t be in the OG , so she has more posibilities that her 3a get ratified

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    For Mao to medal, her best best is to go clean. Maybe ditch the 3-3 (which is going to get dinged as < or worse, <<) and keep going for her 3A's, which she can sometimes get full credit on. The way this season is going she's way ahead of Carolina and can beat everyone minus Yuna with the slightly easier layout.

    For Mao to win gold, she has to go for everything and land everything. One of the reasons I admire Mao so much is that she isn't the kind to shy away from something hard just because it's unlikely, but she's probably left a number of medals on the table because of that. I have a feeling she'll go for the most ambitious option but I still expect that Yuna will take gold.

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    The wonderful Mao just needs to be her wonderful self, and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penguin View Post
    For Mao to medal, her best best is to go clean. Maybe ditch the 3-3 (which is going to get dinged as < or worse, <<) and keep going for her 3A's, which she can sometimes get full credit on. The way this season is going she's way ahead of Carolina and can beat everyone minus Yuna with the slightly easier layout.

    For Mao to win gold, she has to go for everything and land everything. One of the reasons I admire Mao so much is that she isn't the kind to shy away from something hard just because it's unlikely, but she's probably left a number of medals on the table because of that. I have a feeling she'll go for the most ambitious option but I still expect that Yuna will take gold.
    I admire Mao for that. Some people call it stubborn, but to mean it's a testimony to her strength and courage. She has already achieved all she could in the sport (sans the elusive OGM), so an extra medal or two means very little to Mao.

    Between her and Yuna, I hope the best skater of the night wins! I am rooting for Mao tho! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I admire Mao for that. Some people call it stubborn, but to mean it's a testimony to her strength and courage. She has already achieved all she could in the sport (sans the elusive OGM), so an extra medal or two means very little to Mao.

    Between her and Yuna, I hope the best skater of the night wins! I am rooting for Mao tho! :D
    Mao's drive also proves that she has the temperament for competition, which is a hugely valuable asset. Would that some of our American hopefuls had this trait! So I never give up on her. Besides, I just love her skating. She's a joy to watch wherever she ends up.

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    Keep doing what she's doing and hope for the best. What else could she do at this point? Changing up her strategy 2-3 months before Sochi is an even riskier gamble, I think. Barring another injury setback, she'll have to assume Kim will be in top form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Keep doing what she's doing and hope for the best. What else could she do at this point? Changing up her strategy 2-3 months before Sochi is an even riskier gamble, I think. Barring another injury setback, she'll have to assume Kim will be in top form.
    There's no real need to change her strategy. A sloppy skate with monstrous difficulty can get her a silver. A clean skate with monstrous difficulty can get her the gold. A clean skate without monstrous difficulty looks better than the first possibility and can also get her the silver but it's not like she always skates clean with watered down content, and if she does it then she'd be handing the gold to Yuna on a platter. Unless she starts bombing, I don't see how changing her strategy will help. She's done all the reworking she could fit in 4 years and restored all the jumps she can reasonably attempt. Now she needs to work with what she has.

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    Give up the triple axel

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    Well the only obvious strategy for any skaters since COP was created was to rack up as many points as you can. Doesn't matter if you can land 1 triple or 7 triples. you get points for doing it period. a 3A< worth 6.0 point and that's the same base value as 3Lz. Since Mao can't do 3Lz cleanly without getting < or e call, 3 A is better strategy. Mao is attempting 7 triples (maybe 8) to get maximum base value and that's the only way she can match Kim's TES score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penguin View Post
    For Mao to medal, her best best is to go clean. Maybe ditch the 3-3 (which is going to get dinged as < or worse, <<) and keep going for her 3A's, which she can sometimes get full credit on. The way this season is going she's way ahead of Carolina and can beat everyone minus Yuna with the slightly easier layout.

    For Mao to win gold, she has to go for everything and land everything. One of the reasons I admire Mao so much is that she isn't the kind to shy away from something hard just because it's unlikely, but she's probably left a number of medals on the table because of that. I have a feeling she'll go for the most ambitious option but I still expect that Yuna will take gold.
    I think Mao should consider doing the 3axel in the short and ditching it in the long. If she can do 3-3, do it in the long along with a 2A-3T. Doing programs with a level of difficulty that she can skate clean is the key to her winning.

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    Securing the Gold against a clean Yuna who might go 233.00+ after Olympic inflation? Go YOLO with two rotated triple axles that maximize GOE scaling in the FS and a hail mary triple-triple in both programs. Mao already has a slight edge on Kim when comes to levels. A lot of it comes down to how much their PCS trend up to the Olympics.

    If Yuna is flawed, then Mao gets a lot of wiggle room. I think her 3F-3Lo is too much of risk and a second 3A is too much to ask. With how well her PCS are for the season, I think she should be able to hit 140+ with her current jump layout with two relatively clean skates. Mao is probably guaranteed a medal but an ambitious program has a risk of costing her the podium.

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    ...With all said, I really hoped that she "had" left Tarasova's choreography. They love each other, but their visions just don't work well together, as both actually admitted hitting walls with interpretations in 2009-10.

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