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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I'd really like to see Mao go for the 8 Triple program, but it would be ironic and probably the most reliable layout for pulling a big score if she went for two 2Axel+3Toe combos in her LP. Mao has become so consistent on that combo. Yu-Na takes hers out because of the new rules and then Mao comes in and does two of them? LOL. The layout would be:

    3Axel
    2Axel+3Toe
    3Flip+2Loop+2Loop
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    2Axel+3Toe
    3Sal
    3Flip
    3Loop
    What a slimy, point-grubbing layout. I would have to wash my hands after watching it. Though perhaps Mao should move the 3-2-2 earlier if it helps her rotate the loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pec0 View Post
    >But if Yuna skates a clean program, she will definitely take gold.
    why, may i ask?
    See how she scored in Vancouver & London when she skated clean.

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    Yuna would be well advised to compete at least once more before Sochi. It's expecting a lot of her to not hardly compete at all again and be like she was last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    What a slimy, point-grubbing layout. I would have to wash my hands after watching it. Though perhaps Mao should move the 3-2-2 earlier if it helps her rotate the loops.
    Yes. "Point-grubbing" is exactly the point of competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    What a slimy, point-grubbing layout. I would have to wash my hands after watching it.
    I think you'd be washing the saliva off your hands after witnessing Mao take the Gold medal.

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    The important thing for Mao is have have beautiful landings on her jumps, and to focus on rotating her doubles so she isn't giving away easy points. The 3F she landed in the SP of the GPF had beautiful flow out, and that is how she will need to land her jumps to get the +1 and +2 needed to win.

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    This is probably her best shot:

    3A
    3F
    3Lo+2Lo
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    3F+2Lo+2Lo
    2A+3T
    3S
    3Lo

    Still very ambitious, but more "realistic" than two triple Axels or eight triples. It is both very difficult but also offers a non-zero chance of going clean.

    Her most important strategy, though, is to go clean in the SP. She can't afford a mistake like last season's SP at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    This is probably her best shot:

    3A
    3F
    3Lo+2Lo
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    3F+2Lo+2Lo
    2A+3T
    3S
    3Lo

    Still very ambitious, but more "realistic" than two triple Axels or eight triples. It is both very difficult but also offers a non-zero chance of going clean.

    Her most important strategy, though, is to go clean in the SP. She can't afford a mistake like last season's SP at Worlds.
    I think it will be very important who going to skate first in LP, if Mao skates after Yuna and Julia she can to know about their performances and scores and she can to decide if go with easier layout or if she needs to risk everything to win, though knowing to Mao may be even if she doesn´t need a big score she will do 2 3a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colanboy View Post
    Yes. "Point-grubbing" is exactly the point of competition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I think you'd be washing the saliva off your hands after witnessing Mao take the Gold medal.
    There's a difference between going for difficult content that happens to score a lot of points and relying on double Axels and 3Toes to get you around 18 points. I actually respect the former. Though your 2A-3T idea makes me wonder if it is possible for Mao to do 2A-3T, 3F, and 3A in the short program. That would be kind of funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Though your 2A-3T idea makes me wonder if it is possible for Mao to do 2A-3T, 3F, and 3A in the short program. That would be kind of funny.
    That would be riskier because I think she's more likely to UR the 2A-3T rather than the 3R-2R. But she is having issues with the 2R which I find inexplicable given her jumping ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The funny thing about Mao is even though she is a phenomenal jumper and has done some of the hardest womens jump layouts over (the layout she did cleanly at the 2007 Grand Prix final is THE hardest ever done cleanly by a women I believe, even over Lipinski or Ito), her jump technique is actually not that great. She has alot of jumps with iffy technique. It is better now than it used to be though as she sacrified the early part of this quad to perfect her jump technique. It still isnt surprising she has problems with some of the easier jumps. At one point she couldnt do either a triple toe or triple salchow, but still did super hard programs with triple axels, and various triple something-triple loop combos.
    She always had a 3t in her jump layout through the years, and the only time she didn't do the 3S was in 2009-2010 where she replaced it for another triple with a higher BV. But put it back in her arsenal the following year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    She always had a 3t in her jump layout through the years, and the only time she didn't do the 3S was in 2009-2010 where she replaced it for another triple with a higher BV. But put it back in her arsenal the following year.
    No, the only time she attempted the 3S was in the 2008-2009 season on the Grand Prix, and it was gone by 2009 4CCs and 2009 Worlds. It was otherwise omitted during that quad, 2006-2010, and she brought it back for the 2010-2011 season.

    Mao didn't attempt the salchow much (if any?) as a junior, either, and in 2005-2006, Mao did not have a 3T in her jump layout, so yes, it is true that there was a time when Mao had neither a 3T nor a 3S in her jump layout (but had the 3A and 3F/3Lo).

    Interestingly enough, had Mao perfected the 2A/3T back then, she probably would've won 2007 Worlds--her 2A/3T was downgraded in the FS and it cost her the gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    At Skate Canada in 2007 Tracy mentioned Mao had lost her triple toe (she already wasnt doing a triple salchow by then). Her programs there consisted of only the triple flutz, triple flip, triple loop, and multiple double axels arranged in various ways. By the Grand Prix final she had her triple toe back and it was included in 1 of the 2 triple-triples she did there.
    There was one occasion where she didn't do the 3t and suddenly she lost it... seriously? well then I have to say she quickly must have gotten it back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaylee View Post
    No, the only time she attempted the 3S was in the 2008-2009 season on the Grand Prix, and it was gone by 2009 4CCs and 2009 Worlds. It was otherwise omitted during that quad, 2006-2010, and she brought it back for the 2010-2011 season.

    Mao didn't attempt the salchow much (if any?) as a junior, either, and in 2005-2006, Mao did not have a 3T in her jump layout, so yes, it is true that there was a time when Mao had neither a 3T nor a 3S in her jump layout (but had the 3A and 3F/3Lo).

    Interestingly enough, had Mao perfected the 2A/3T back then, she probably would've won 2007 Worlds--her 2A/3T was downgraded in the FS and it cost her the gold.
    She attempted the 3S a long time ago, in 2002 and 2003. I hear the reason she lost her 3S was because she was trying to learn a 4S (there are videos of a few attempts somewhere on YouTube, none close to clean though). During her senior career pre-2010, in addition to the 2008-09 season, she attempted the 3S at a few cheesefests: 2008 Japan Open (doubled) and at 2009 Japan Open (popped).

    Actually, there was a point in time when the only triples in her layouts were Flip, Flutz and Loop (her 2007 GP events, where her 3A was MIA). She filled the rest of her program with double Axels and double Loops. Fortunately for our eyes, that period was short - only two competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaylee View Post
    No, the only time she attempted the 3S was in the 2008-2009 season on the Grand Prix, and it was gone by 2009 4CCs and 2009 Worlds. It was otherwise omitted during that quad, 2006-2010, and she brought it back for the 2010-2011 season.

    Mao didn't attempt the salchow much (if any?) as a junior, either, and in 2005-2006, Mao did not have a 3T in her jump layout, so yes, it is true that there was a time when Mao had neither a 3T nor a 3S in her jump layout (but had the 3A and 3F/3Lo).

    Interestingly enough, had Mao perfected the 2A/3T back then, she probably would've won 2007 Worlds--her 2A/3T was downgraded in the FS and it cost her the gold.
    There is a difference between not having and not including some jumps. if Mao (or any other skater) didn't have a jump, she wouldn't be able to put the jump in her layout and pull it out and put it back in when she felt like it. She had this jump as a junior as a senior, before she began reworking her technique and after!

    Unlike most skaters, Mao did use great variety of layouts through the years, she didn't fear or hesitate to change jumps, combinations and even change their placements in the program during a season.

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