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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    I think Mao should consider doing the 3axel in the short and ditching it in the long. If she can do 3-3, do it in the long along with a 2A-3T. Doing programs with a level of difficulty that she can skate clean is the key to her winning.
    She has 3f-3loop, she as almost everyone trying this combo always get dg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Thanks for all your thoughts. Much appreciated. It seems the consensus is her current strategy is the right way to keep going, even if she isnt even able to do a clean short program as of yet. CarneAsada though you did mention I think you thought one jump was too much to go for her as a backup plan. I forget exactly what that was though. Could you refresh my memory on that.

    I am a huge fan of both Kim and Mao so I will be crushed for whichever doesnt win. A win for Kim would cement her status as possibly the best ever, while a loss and she might not even be the best skater of her own era anymore. For Mao a win would really complete her already amazing career, and a loss would be dissapointing as this season has probably given her strong belief in winning the Olympic Gold, even with the caveat of Kim being out thus far. Plus that she didnt get the chance in 2006 when she probably would have done it.

    I also want Wagner, Kostner, and a Russian to all medal, but that wont happen. Someone will be dissapointed either way.
    It was the 3F-3Lo. In an interview I believe she said if she popped a 3A, she'd go for that as her third pass. Her new layout apparently removes the Lutz; it makes sense as she hasn't come close to landing a correct edge Lutz since 2011 4CC, but still, it was getting pretty consistent and could net her maybe 5 points.

    That's definitely true. I feel there is so much more riding on Sochi as it's the last time we will probably see both of them in the same competition. Although Yuna is coming in as the heavy favorite once again, Mao has been steadily improving this quad while in the leadup to Vancouver, she peaked 2 seasons too early and went downhill from there. At least this time she could conceivably put up a fight to keep it even going into the LP, while 4 years ago she went all out in the SP and Yuna still squashed her by 5 points. Either way, if they once again finish 1-2 their legacies will certainly be assured (as if they weren't already) no matter what order.

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    She'll need a crowbar.

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    Blades, I know this is Yu-Na's just done her debut but I am curious to know what your thoughts are with regard to her short program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She'll need a crowbar.
    Wouldn't that be overkill? Even Jeff Gillooly only used something like this: http://www.opticsplanet.com/asp-sent...131207020315:s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She'll need a crowbar.
    Not really funny, Blades. Besides, that really didn't work out for Tonya in the end anyways...

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    I really think Yu-Na needs one or two more outings before Sochi. She needs these programs under competitive scrutiny. Does she plan to go to Korean Nationals or 4CC? If she goes to 4CC perhaps she can see how her programs stack up against Mao's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    There's no real need to change her strategy. A sloppy skate with monstrous difficulty can get her a silver. A clean skate with monstrous difficulty can get her the gold. A clean skate without monstrous difficulty looks better than the first possibility and can also get her the silver but it's not like she always skates clean with watered down content, and if she does it then she'd be handing the gold to Yuna on a platter. Unless she starts bombing, I don't see how changing her strategy will help. She's done all the reworking she could fit in 4 years and restored all the jumps she can reasonably attempt. Now she needs to work with what she has.
    I think Mao would rather win silver with a flawed, but extremely difficult program, than silver with a clean watered-down program. Of course she'd prefer gold in any case, but if she must lose to Kim again, I would think the former is the "lesser of two evils". So I don't see her changing up her plan at all.

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    If she can hit all her planned content without getting under-rotation calls, she should be able to win. She still has two months to get her sal more stable; it's still hit or miss at the moment, and work on the landing of her axel. Vancouver Olympics was the first time Yuna did her SP and FP perfectly. Maybe Sochi will be the first time Mao does her programs perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    If she can hit all her planned content without getting under-rotation calls, she should be able to win. She still has two months to get her sal more stable; it's still hit or miss at the moment, and work on the landing of her axel. Vancouver Olympics was the first time Yuna did her SP and FP perfectly. Maybe Sochi will be the first time Mao does her programs perfectly.
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambivalent View Post
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.
    Well, no. But she might be able to, though it will be very difficult. BTW, Yuna has done her SP/FP both perfectly only once in her career, too. She got a lip call at Worlds last season, which was the next closest performance to perfect she achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambivalent View Post
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.
    Surprisingly, the closest she came to a perfect SP & LP was Worlds 2010 (both 3A-2T combinations downgraded, but wrongly IMO). Or maybe not so surprisingly, as her attempted content was slightly less than in the previous years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robeye View Post
    Wouldn't that be overkill? Even Jeff Gillooly only used something like this: http://www.opticsplanet.com/asp-sent...131207020315:s
    Well, you see, until recently Yu-Na was actually a vampire. She tried to contain her emotions and relent from engaging in affectionate embraces with the blood drinker she fell in love with, but it was too much. Her heart yearned too greatly. Soon after being turned (actually very uncommon, most people simply die, which is why more vampires don't exist in our world), her lover abandoned her for another. Apparently this vampire, an acquaintance of Tatiana Tarasova, has a fetish for turning famous Asian women. They were never actually in love with Yu-Na and just feigned it in order to get a taste of her sweet blood.

    Yu-na, now heart broken and ashamed of her vampyric state, paid an extraordinary sum of money to a group of mystic experts so that they would quest into the Arirang mountain and hopefully procure an ancient remedy for her malady. It's said that only few extremely talented and lucky individuals are able to complete the quest every century. People are plucked out of childhood and trained in the arts their whole lives just to fulfill this purpose, but the task is nearly impossible. While living out her days as a vampire, uncertain if she would actually be cured, Yu-Na decided to also experiment with radical scientific procedures in order to cleanse herself.

    One very diabolical scientist said he had a cure for Yu-Na, which had so far been successful on mice. She was willing to try anything and underwent the surgery. The scientist had lied to her, though. What he actually wanted was to experiment on her supernaturally altered body, trying genetic mutations that would quickly kill any normal human. His experiment was successful; he altered the DNA of the bones in Yu-Na's legs to make them nearly unbreakable, which was tested by trying to slice through part of her lower leg with a silver saber. However, a side effect was caused by this procedure: Yu-Na was in immense pain daily as the genetic mutation constantly created internal pressure within her body. Enraged by the scientist's treachery after discovering what he had really done, Yu-Na quickly consumed his blood and used his corpse as kindling for her fireplace.

    Luck shined upon Yu-Na, though! One of the mystics had returned from the Arirang mountain and actually been able to obtain the cure for her vapirism! She immediately drank the potion and found herself returned to a warm-blooded human state the next morning. The pain in her legs was even gone. Upon returning to the ice rink to train for the glorious Golden Spin of Zagreb competition and get back on track with her life, she found her legs to feel a little heavier than before. The experiment performed on her had carried through back to her human state and she now had unbreakable leg bones that were a little denser then before. At first this extra weight threw her jumps off, but every time she fell her legs were never in danger. This quickly gave her the confidence to jump without fear and adapt to the additional weight gain.

    In summation, it's going to take a lot of strong hits with a nice heavy crowbar to really hurt Yu-Na's legs. Her bones are super-reinforced now and one wimpy little Nancy Kerrigan whack won't be enough.

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    I would argue that Mao really needs a YOLO skate i.e. at least 1 3A and 3-3 in her FP to have a shot if Kim is clean throughout. This is because at the Olympics, the judges will award GOEs like crazy and the person who benefits from this most is Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Well, you see, until recently Yu-Na was actually a vampire. She tried to contain her emotions and relent from engaging in affectionate embraces with the blood drinker she fell in love with, but it was too much. Her heart yearned too greatly. Soon after being turned (actually very uncommon, most people simply die, which is why more vampires don't exist in our world), her lover abandoned her for another. Apparently this vampire, an acquaintance of Tatiana Tarasova, has a fetish for turning famous Asian women. They were never actually in love with Yu-Na and just feigned it in order to get a taste of her sweet blood.

    Yu-na, now heart broken and ashamed of her vampyric state, paid an extraordinary sum of money to a group of mystic experts so that they would quest into the Arirang mountain and hopefully procure an ancient remedy for her malady. It's said that only few extremely talented and lucky individuals are able to complete the quest every century. People are plucked out of childhood and trained in the arts their whole lives just to fulfill this purpose, but the task is nearly impossible. While living out her days as a vampire, uncertain if she would actually be cured, Yu-Na decided to also experiment with radical scientific procedures in order to cleanse herself.

    One very diabolical scientist said he had a cure for Yu-Na, which had so far been successful on mice. She was willing to try anything and underwent the surgery. The scientist had lied to her, though. What he actually wanted was to experiment on her supernaturally altered body, trying genetic mutations that would quickly kill any normal human. His experiment was successful; he altered the DNA of the bones in Yu-Na's legs to make them nearly unbreakable, which was tested by trying to slice through part of her lower leg with a silver saber. However, a side effect was caused by this procedure: Yu-Na was in immense pain daily as the genetic mutation constantly created internal pressure within her body. Enraged by the scientist's treachery after discovering what he had really done, Yu-Na quickly consumed his blood and used his corpse as kindling for her fireplace.

    Luck shined upon Yu-Na, though! One of the mystics had returned from the Arirang mountain and actually been able to obtain the cure for her vapirism! She immediately drank the potion and found herself returned to a warm-blooded human state the next morning. The pain in her legs was even gone. Upon returning to the ice rink to train for the glorious Golden Spin of Zagreb competition and get back on track with her life, she found her legs to feel a little heavier than before. The experiment performed on her had carried through back to her human state and she now had unbreakable leg bones that were a little denser then before. At first this extra weight threw her jumps off, but every time she fell her legs were never in danger. This quickly gave her the confidence to jump without fear and adapt to the additional weight gain.

    In summation, it's going to take a lot of strong hits with a nice heavy crowbar to really hurt Yu-Na's legs. Her bones are super-reinforced now and one wimpy little Nancy Kerrigan whack won't be enough.
    You need to pitch this to Joss Whedon .

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