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Thread: What is the best strategy for amazing Asada to challenge incredible Kim at the Games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by penguin View Post
    For Mao to medal, her best best is to go clean. Maybe ditch the 3-3 (which is going to get dinged as < or worse, <<) and keep going for her 3A's, which she can sometimes get full credit on. The way this season is going she's way ahead of Carolina and can beat everyone minus Yuna with the slightly easier layout.

    For Mao to win gold, she has to go for everything and land everything. One of the reasons I admire Mao so much is that she isn't the kind to shy away from something hard just because it's unlikely, but she's probably left a number of medals on the table because of that. I have a feeling she'll go for the most ambitious option but I still expect that Yuna will take gold.
    I think Mao should consider doing the 3axel in the short and ditching it in the long. If she can do 3-3, do it in the long along with a 2A-3T. Doing programs with a level of difficulty that she can skate clean is the key to her winning.

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    Securing the Gold against a clean Yuna who might go 233.00+ after Olympic inflation? Go YOLO with two rotated triple axles that maximize GOE scaling in the FS and a hail mary triple-triple in both programs. Mao already has a slight edge on Kim when comes to levels. A lot of it comes down to how much their PCS trend up to the Olympics.

    If Yuna is flawed, then Mao gets a lot of wiggle room. I think her 3F-3Lo is too much of risk and a second 3A is too much to ask. With how well her PCS are for the season, I think she should be able to hit 140+ with her current jump layout with two relatively clean skates. Mao is probably guaranteed a medal but an ambitious program has a risk of costing her the podium.

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    ...With all said, I really hoped that she "had" left Tarasova's choreography. They love each other, but their visions just don't work well together, as both actually admitted hitting walls with interpretations in 2009-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    I think Mao should consider doing the 3axel in the short and ditching it in the long. If she can do 3-3, do it in the long along with a 2A-3T. Doing programs with a level of difficulty that she can skate clean is the key to her winning.
    She has 3f-3loop, she as almost everyone trying this combo always get dg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Thanks for all your thoughts. Much appreciated. It seems the consensus is her current strategy is the right way to keep going, even if she isnt even able to do a clean short program as of yet. CarneAsada though you did mention I think you thought one jump was too much to go for her as a backup plan. I forget exactly what that was though. Could you refresh my memory on that.

    I am a huge fan of both Kim and Mao so I will be crushed for whichever doesnt win. A win for Kim would cement her status as possibly the best ever, while a loss and she might not even be the best skater of her own era anymore. For Mao a win would really complete her already amazing career, and a loss would be dissapointing as this season has probably given her strong belief in winning the Olympic Gold, even with the caveat of Kim being out thus far. Plus that she didnt get the chance in 2006 when she probably would have done it.

    I also want Wagner, Kostner, and a Russian to all medal, but that wont happen. Someone will be dissapointed either way.
    It was the 3F-3Lo. In an interview I believe she said if she popped a 3A, she'd go for that as her third pass. Her new layout apparently removes the Lutz; it makes sense as she hasn't come close to landing a correct edge Lutz since 2011 4CC, but still, it was getting pretty consistent and could net her maybe 5 points.

    That's definitely true. I feel there is so much more riding on Sochi as it's the last time we will probably see both of them in the same competition. Although Yuna is coming in as the heavy favorite once again, Mao has been steadily improving this quad while in the leadup to Vancouver, she peaked 2 seasons too early and went downhill from there. At least this time she could conceivably put up a fight to keep it even going into the LP, while 4 years ago she went all out in the SP and Yuna still squashed her by 5 points. Either way, if they once again finish 1-2 their legacies will certainly be assured (as if they weren't already) no matter what order.

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    She'll need a crowbar.

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    Blades, I know this is Yu-Na's just done her debut but I am curious to know what your thoughts are with regard to her short program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She'll need a crowbar.
    Wouldn't that be overkill? Even Jeff Gillooly only used something like this: http://www.opticsplanet.com/asp-sent...131207020315:s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She'll need a crowbar.
    Not really funny, Blades. Besides, that really didn't work out for Tonya in the end anyways...

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    I really think Yu-Na needs one or two more outings before Sochi. She needs these programs under competitive scrutiny. Does she plan to go to Korean Nationals or 4CC? If she goes to 4CC perhaps she can see how her programs stack up against Mao's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    There's no real need to change her strategy. A sloppy skate with monstrous difficulty can get her a silver. A clean skate with monstrous difficulty can get her the gold. A clean skate without monstrous difficulty looks better than the first possibility and can also get her the silver but it's not like she always skates clean with watered down content, and if she does it then she'd be handing the gold to Yuna on a platter. Unless she starts bombing, I don't see how changing her strategy will help. She's done all the reworking she could fit in 4 years and restored all the jumps she can reasonably attempt. Now she needs to work with what she has.
    I think Mao would rather win silver with a flawed, but extremely difficult program, than silver with a clean watered-down program. Of course she'd prefer gold in any case, but if she must lose to Kim again, I would think the former is the "lesser of two evils". So I don't see her changing up her plan at all.

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    If she can hit all her planned content without getting under-rotation calls, she should be able to win. She still has two months to get her sal more stable; it's still hit or miss at the moment, and work on the landing of her axel. Vancouver Olympics was the first time Yuna did her SP and FP perfectly. Maybe Sochi will be the first time Mao does her programs perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    If she can hit all her planned content without getting under-rotation calls, she should be able to win. She still has two months to get her sal more stable; it's still hit or miss at the moment, and work on the landing of her axel. Vancouver Olympics was the first time Yuna did her SP and FP perfectly. Maybe Sochi will be the first time Mao does her programs perfectly.
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambivalent View Post
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.
    Well, no. But she might be able to, though it will be very difficult. BTW, Yuna has done her SP/FP both perfectly only once in her career, too. She got a lip call at Worlds last season, which was the next closest performance to perfect she achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambivalent View Post
    Has Mao ever done two perfect SP/LPs? Perhaps in the 2005-2008 period?

    Seriously, can Mao and Yu-Na just tie for gold in Sochi? I don't want any of either to lose.
    Surprisingly, the closest she came to a perfect SP & LP was Worlds 2010 (both 3A-2T combinations downgraded, but wrongly IMO). Or maybe not so surprisingly, as her attempted content was slightly less than in the previous years.

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