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Thread: What is the best strategy for amazing Asada to challenge incredible Kim at the Games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    In a way it is exciting to see familiar names at the top, but it is also a bit disappointing. Two years ago, when Adelina debuted as a senior, I fell in love with her skating and was sure she would be part of the gold medal conversation in Sochi. While she may still medal, it's pretty clear that she won't stand atop the podium. Gracie was another whom I thought would have vastly improved her artistry and kept her jumps in the last two years. Neither has happened.

    What I do hope is that if Mao and Yuna skate in Sochi like they did this weekend and another top contender has the skaters of her life, the judges don't put the top two out of reach on PCS alone. Yuna and Mao getting 70+ in PCS for very uninspired LP performances will make it hard for them to be caught if the others can only get 66 for perfect programs.
    I hope the latter doesnt happen either but I fear it will. The only one I could see maybe sneaking gold out over even a subpar Mao and Kim is maybe Wagner in fact if she can perfect her jumps, her triple-triple, and improve her spins. I would say Kostner more than Wagner, except I cant see Kostner doing a clean SP and LP together ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I hope the latter doesnt happen either but I fear it will. The only one I could see maybe sneaking gold out over even a subpar Mao and Kim is maybe Wagner in fact if she can perfect her jumps, her triple-triple, and improve her spins. I would say Kostner more than Wagner, except I cant see Kostner doing a clean SP and LP together ever.
    It will be hard. To put it in perspective, the total score that Mao and Yuna each had this weekend (~204) has never been surpassed by ay other skater ever: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbslto.htm and both are capable of scoring so much higher than they did this weekend.

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    Off-topic and nitpicking, but can we change the thread title to have some consistency in terms of names? "Mao and Kim" or "Asada and Yuna" sound really weird to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Off-topic and nitpicking, but can we change the thread title to have some consistency in terms of names? "Mao and Kim" or "Asada and Yuna" sound really weird to me.
    Another comment re the thread title: "What is the best strategy for wonderful Mao to challenge/upset Kim at the Games"

    My answer would be to have a fan start a thread with a title identifying only Mao as wonderful -- and implying that Yuna is not.

    Not fair, because both women are wonderful.

    (Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. Apologies if my comments above repeat what someone else said. And OK, my answer obviously is not the "best" strategy, but it could be a tiny little strategy. )

    aftertherain makes a good point as well. I daresay that the OP's shameless favoritism toward Mao also is evident from the affectionate use of her first name -- juxtaposed with Kim's last name.

    Nothing wrong in general with preferring one skater over another. BUT thread titles should be neutral, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Another comment re the thread title: "What is the best strategy for wonderful Mao to challenge/upset Kim at the Games"

    My answer would be to have a fan start a thread with a title identifying only Mao as wonderful -- and implying that Yuna is not.

    Not fair, because both women are wonderful.

    (Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. Apologies if my comments above repeat what someone else said. And OK, my answer obviously is not the "best" srategy, but it could be a tiny little strategy. )

    aftertherain makes a good point as well. I daresay that the OP's shameless favoritism toward Mao also is evident from the affectionate use of her first name -- juxtaposed with Kim's last name.

    Nothing wrong in general with preferring one skater over another. BUT thread titles should be neutral, IMHO.
    LOL. the OP has not favoritism towards Mao read he/she post and you will see.

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    I am a bigger fan of Mao than Yu Na I admit (although I still think Yu Na is objectively the favorite for the Olympic Gold). I apologize for the title and how it is worded if it offended anyone though, as it was never my intent. I do think Mao is a wonderful skater, but so is Yu Na of course, even if her skating doesnt move me the way Mao's does and I admit I am a bigger fan of Mao.

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    Based on Mao's interviews on Japanese TV in the last year or two, I think her outlook has changed/matured since 2010. It seems she is less concerned about winning gold at the Olympics (although obviously she would like that). Rather, she wants to end her career with a performance that she can feel "satisfied" with.

    She will not be "satisified" doing a watered-down program. She will include the 3A's, which she considers her "signature".

    If she manages to skate to a level that she feels satisfied with, that may well mean taking home a gold medal too, as a happy by-product. But I think it's an important mental distinction.

    I think her "stategy" is to skate for herself, and not concern herself with "winning" or what her competitors are doing. I think that's the right strategy for her, at this stage of her career. It can be a psychological advantage too.

    I think it would be bad for her to devise a "strategy for winning". Better if she chooses a strategy for herself.

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    I just watched YuNa's SP from Zagreb. Overscoring. A fallout of double axel, and she outscores Mao's by a smidgen much better SP at GPF???? It gets me mad. YuNa is lovely, but that skate was far from her best SP. And they scored it like it was. Poor Mao. No breaks next year either It seems.

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    Mao will earn silver again unless she lands axels and completes all planned triples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I just watched YuNa's SP from Zagreb. Overscoring. A fallout of double axel, and she outscores Mao's by a smidgen much better SP at GPF???? It gets me mad. YuNa is lovely, but that skate was far from her best SP. And they scored it like it was. Poor Mao. No breaks next year either It seems.
    Mao's SP at the GP final had a two footed and downgraded triple axel which is a much bigger mistake. I dont know why you are surprised Kim scored slightly higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Mao's SP at the GP final had a two footed and downgraded triple axel which is a much bigger mistake. I dont know why you are surprised Kim scored slightly higher.
    It was a 1 foot landing that got a < mark, a borderline call. The LP Axels were the problematic ones (fall, underrotated and landed on two feet).

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    If you're asking about a certain layout I'd say it's the one she currently has. She'll concentrate on the 3A now and I think she'll be able to land them at the Olympics. It will be easier for Mao to land an underrotated 3A-2T than a 3F-3L. Apart from this, she has to focus on the 3F-2L-2L as it's her second highest scoring jumping pass if rotated.
    Some could make a case for her to replace a 3S with the 3Lz, because even though she always will get and edge call, she actually rarely missed the jump while she often doubles the salchow or has other troubles with it. I still think a salchow is better, but I could see the point here.
    The best thing is that she's not THAT far from doing it as some people claim. I could easily see her doing 6 out of 7 jumping passes perfectly. But well, I agree, I'm a bit biased, so the last thing I said is very subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I am a bigger fan of Mao than Yu Na I admit (although I still think Yu Na is objectively the favorite for the Olympic Gold). I apologize for the title and how it is worded if it offended anyone though, as it was never my intent. I do think Mao is a wonderful skater, but so is Yu Na of course, even if her skating doesnt move me the way Mao's does and I admit I am a bigger fan of Mao.
    Thx for your post, PTF. Apology accepted.

    And thanks to the mods for changing the thread title. Happy for both the amazing Asada and the incredible Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I am a bigger fan of Mao than Yu Na I admit (although I still think Yu Na is objectively the favorite for the Olympic Gold). I apologize for the title and how it is worded if it offended anyone though, as it was never my intent. I do think Mao is a wonderful skater, but so is Yu Na of course, even if her skating doesnt move me the way Mao's does and I admit I am a bigger fan of Mao.
    Not accepting you apology because you didn't need to give one. Hah.

    (But golden411 has always been a bigger person than me anyway. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherryy View Post
    If you're asking about a certain layout I'd say it's the one she currently has. She'll concentrate on the 3A now and I think she'll be able to land them at the Olympics. It will be easier for Mao to land an underrotated 3A-2T than a 3F-3L. Apart from this, she has to focus on the 3F-2L-2L as it's her second highest scoring jumping pass if rotated.
    Some could make a case for her to replace a 3S with the 3Lz, because even though she always will get and edge call, she actually rarely missed the jump while she often doubles the salchow or has other troubles with it. I still think a salchow is better, but I could see the point here.
    The best thing is that she's not THAT far from doing it as some people claim. I could easily see her doing 6 out of 7 jumping passes perfectly. But well, I agree, I'm a bit biased, so the last thing I said is very subjective.
    The 3F-2Lo-2Lo is of utmost importance to Asada, even more so than whatever she chooses as her first 2 passes. It was the first thing that let her down in her Vancouver LP, it has been very inconsistent with regard to underrotations, and it is worth over 10 points if landed well. She can afford a mistake on the Axel if she gets the rotations in, and although she'll probably never get a 3F-3Lo ratified again she can at least get some points for it like we saw at 4CC and WTT. She cannot afford a mistake on the 3F-2Lo-2Lo as a mistake on that usually means a < somewhere, killing both BV and GOE.

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