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    Correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Hmm... Seems I'm unclear as to how a 2A+3T is allowed in the SP. Is it because Mao is planning a solo 3A? If a lady can't do a solo 3A, then she would need a solo 2A, and since she can't repeat the 2A in the SP, she can't do a 2A+3T. Am I understanding that right?
    So does that mean: 3A, 2A+3T, and 3Lo? She can do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    So does that mean: 3A, 2A+3T, and 3Lo? She can do that?
    I think so! But then she will be in trouble in case she doubles her planned 3A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Yep, she could do that!

    LOL, now I want Mao to set a record for most 2A-3T combinations performed in one competition.
    I think the best part of this is imagining Scott Hamilton screaming "FIRST WOMAN IN HISTORY TO LAND THREE 2AXEL-3TOES IN A COMPETITION!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    I think the best part of this is imagining Scott Hamilton screaming "FIRST WOMAN IN HISTORY TO LAND THREE 2AXEL-3TOES IN A COMPETITION!"

    Oh crap...I can totally hear Scott repeating your words verbatim if that happens.

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    It is evident that the two 3A strategy has not been working so far for Asada and moreover a silver for a sloppy skate is not guaranteed. Unless she can land the layout 9/10 times in practice, she really should go back to the 8 triples with 1 modification (changes in bold):
    3A
    3F-3Lo
    3Lz
    2A-3T
    3S
    3Lo-2Lo-2Lo
    3F

    Her 3Loop is quite steady and I don't remember her missing the 3 jump combination with an initial 3Loop on the occasions she's tried it. If she doesn't go for the 3-3, she can replace the Lutz with a Loop. The "8 triple plan" is all that she needs - water down if needed, attempt all the jumps if needed.

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    Her best strategy is to skate clean (meaning construct a program she can actually do without mistakes) and hope Yu Na doesn't.

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    Why? The scoring is not set up to penalize her properly. Mao scores higher with her flawed programs than she would if she watered down the content and went clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Why? The scoring is not set up to penalize her properly. Mao scores higher with her flawed programs than she would if she watered down the content and went clean.
    Not so. The scoring will not penalize you (not severely) if you rotate all the jumps and your only errors are things like stepouts or touchdown of the free foot. Doubling, popping, underrotating jumps, all those will kill the BV. And at Nationals, Mao did just that. Look at Mao's NHK Trophy score. If she got credit for the 3A she'd be above 140 for 7 triples (one 3A, no 3-3). She might not get credit for jumps of that quality elsewhere, but she's done better quality. I think a clean 7 triple program is not out of reach for her. 8 triples or two 3A layouts are probably out of reach, but a clean 7 triple program is doable and it would get her much higher than 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    Her best strategy is to skate clean (meaning construct a program she can actually do without mistakes) and hope Yu Na doesn't.
    Perhaps but I doubt she will change. She is fairly stubborn and strong willed, although that is part of what makes her a Champion in the first place. She will also take confidence (perhaps false) in how most of the season has gone (even though Yu Na was absent, and she hasnt even met typical early season slow starter Kostner) where she made all those mistakes but still easily won each event.

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    Mao should do this.

    3A
    2A-3T
    2A-3T-2Lo
    --
    3fLz
    3S
    3Lo
    3F-2Lo

    If she pops the first 3A, she can do 3A second time,
    1A
    3A
    2A-3T-2Lo
    ---
    3fLz
    3S
    3Lo-2Lo
    3F-2Lo

    Even the second scenario would be enough to give her a silver medal.

    If she pops twice
    1A
    1A
    3A
    ----
    3fLz
    3S
    3Lo-2Lo
    3F-2Lo-2Lo

    This should be enough for bronze as long as she doesn't UR anything else.

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    Jumping isn't even her best attribute, usually I think her step sequences are what I like best about her programs. She should concentrate less on the jumps. I'd even go so far as to say she should even do only six triples with one 3A. Concentrate more on what she does best and make it easier for her to land one huge cracking 3A per program like she did at 2010 Olympics.

    (I know she did 2 in the FS then, but it was the first one that had wow factor)

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    Lol why waste THREE jumping passes on 3A attempts? It would be like playing Angry Birds and wasting 2 birds out of 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Jumping isn't even her best attribute, usually I think her step sequences are what I like best about her programs. She should concentrate less on the jumps. I'd even go so far as to say she should even do only six triples with one 3A. Concentrate more on what she does best and make it easier for her to land one huge cracking 3A per program like she did at 2010 Olympics.

    (I know she did 2 in the FS then, but it was the first one that had wow factor)
    ? Jumps are what get you the most points. Six triples with one 3A would waste all the effort she put into fixing her jumps. It's not like she can't land her other triples. Flip, Loop, 3T, 3S she can all do cleanly, and her flutz was consistent this year. She was doing fine at her GP events apart from the 3A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    would waste all the effort she put into fixing her jumps.
    After 2008, Yuna dropped 3Lo and focused on what she did best with less risk of injury. From then, she and her team always had a clear vision for her and what she meant to portray on the ice.

    Mao in my opinion has lacked this consistency in approach. If you are a Mao fan, don't you think all her changes have been to her detriment?

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    I think she should stick with her current layout. If she wants to turn the second 3A into a 3F, that would be smarter but also playing it safe, which she shouldn't do in order to win. It would be terrible if she lost to Yu Na by a few points and then wonders "what if I had stuck to my guns?"

    We should also bear in mind that many naysayers (myself included) didn't think she had 3 triple axels in her until she proved us all wrong in Vancouver. She's not the same skater technically as she once was, but never count her out. I honestly think a deciding factor might be Tarasova... she really has a way of technically pushing her skaters and ensuring they go for it. Without her this year, I'm highly doubtful Mao can nail all that she's planned, but still optimistic.

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